On 4/30/2014 1:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
On 30 Apr 2014, at 05:10, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote:
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On 4/29/2014 1:18 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
If my consciousness can survive a physical digital substitution, then it
survives
an arithmetical digital substitution, and what we call the moon has to be
recovered
as a stable pattern emerging from an infinity of computations in
arithmetic, and
cannot be related from anything else.
The point is that "what we call the Moon" IS the Moon.
IMO - both points of view, are valid though. You are correctly equating the definition
or label of the moon with the qualia -- i.e. the moon experience.
He was assuming we were awake. In my dreams, what I call the moon a planet made of
cheese. Is *that* the moon?
That's why I wrote "what WE call the Moon". The meaning of terms in language depends on
agreed understanding of speaker and hearer. You can't ostensively define the moon in your
dreams to someone else.
Brent
It seems to me that Bruno was describing a hypothesized means by which that which "we
call the moon" becomes manifest as the qualia we experience. That this qualia emerges
through a dynamic computational process.
Well, hopefully for computationalism.
Bruno
Chris
Brent
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