On 12 May 2014 07:13, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > On 5/11/2014 12:54 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> Yes, the rest follows, but the negation of the rest follows too, unless, >> like Peter Jones, you add a criterion of primitive physical existence to >> what is needed for consciousness. But then the movie graph can show that >> they attribute a magical role to that primitive matter. The idea, for them, >> is that there is a primitive matter, and that "the primitive character" is >> not Turing emulable. >> > > But if the entangled and holistic character of the world requires that the > Turing emulation extend to essentially all of it then "primitive matter" > just means "exists in the emulation". Turing *emulation* is only > meaningful in the context of emulating one part relative to another part > that is not emulated, i.e. is "real". That's why I think the MGA doesn't > prove what you think it does. It is still the case that something playing > the role of "primitive matter - per Peter Jones" is necessary in every > world, and that role is to pick out what exists from what doesn't. > > If materialism is correct, this is tautologically true. If it isn't, it isn't.
(Comp and "mathematical structure" theories don't need anything to "breathe fire into the equations" as far as I know - no phlogiston!) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
