On 6/3/2014 2:03 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
You may be correct indeed, but if being part of the "civilized world" protects violent,
predatory, criminals, including, (drumroll) Islamists and Putin, the I suppose I will
demur from being civilized. Most capital crimes, even in Texas, are crimes of passion. I
don't see it (no death penalty) as being civilized, I view it as an excuse to be
uncaring toward the victim's family.
What if the victim doesn't have any family? Or what if the family forgives the killer?
Or excuses the killer for a price (as in Pakistan)? At one time punishment for crimes
like murder was a matter of retribution by the family of the victim. But it was because
this led to feuds and vendettas and weregild, that the Crown, later The State, took over
the sole right to punish crimes.
Note that saying the U.S. imposes the death penalty is only partly true. There is a
military death penalty (which is true in most armies) and a federal death penalty; but
among the states 32 have a death penalty and 18 do not. Most recently, Maryland abolished
the death penalty last year.
Brent
The USA are alone in this. It's not some uncertain utopia, it has been fully
achieved in most of the civilised world.
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From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>
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Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:57 am
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On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
No death penalties. I am not sure I agree, but if this is the goal, then
things need
to be done really differently.
Hum? Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capital_punishment.PNG
The USA are alone in this. It's not some uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved in
most of the civilised world.
Telmo.
I am not sure what you mean by "to seek my goal".
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From: LizR <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
To: everything-list <[email protected]
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Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back!
On 3 June 2014 10:28, spudboy100 via Everything List
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
To seek your goal I am guessing elements of society, law, and
technology, must
improve.
I am not sure what you mean by "to seek my goal".
For many, nothing is broken, or they have an interest in things
continuing as
they are. We'd have to get into problem soving mode to do all that. The
world
does not seem to be in a problem solving mood.
This is of course true, "business as usual" is nideed in the process of
destroying
the world. Not sure what it has to do with the previous topic but FWIW I
agree.
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