On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
No family, then it depends on the nature of the crime. Sparing a
killer for a price? This reminds me of why the US doesn't have race
riots anymore, like the LA Rodney King riots. Most often, there are
"settlements" as when police do unlawful killings, because the
family opts for the settlement. I am feeling that those nation
states that do not have death penalties, are opting, as a cultural
norm, Out of a sense of sqeamishness, which is understandable,
rather than real justice or mercy. "well, if we just don't have the
death penalty, we won't have to think about the victim."
Death penalty does not make sense. I can understand personal
individual revenge, and could acquit a parent killing the one who has
been violent with his/her children, but I can't swallow the idea that
a state coldly kill someone. This is close to nonsense and barbary. It
does not deter people to kill, on the contrary it makes killing more
banal or normal. It can even motivate a type of serial killing where
the serial killer phantasms on his own death. Then it kills innocent
people in a regular way. Countries with death penalty have usually
more homicides than the others. Well, that's my opinion.
Bruno
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On 6/3/2014 2:03 PM, spudboy100 via Everything
List wrote:
You may be correct indeed, but if being part
of the "civilized world" protects violent, predatory,
criminals, including, (drumroll) Islamists and Putin, the
I suppose I will demur from being civilized. Most capital
crimes, even in Texas, are crimes of passion. I don't see
it (no death penalty) as being civilized, I view it as an
excuse to be uncaring toward the victim's family.
What if the victim doesn't have any family? Or what if the
family forgives the killer? Or excuses the killer for a price
(as in Pakistan)? At one time punishment for crimes like murder
was a matter of retribution by the family of the victim. But it
was because this led to feuds and vendettas and weregild, that
the Crown, later The State, took over the sole right to punish
crimes.
Note that saying the U.S. imposes the death penalty is only
partly true. There is a military death penalty (which is true in
most armies) and a federal death penalty; but among the states 32
have a death penalty and 18 do not. Most recently, Maryland
abolished the death penalty last year.
Brent
The USA are alone in this. It's not
some uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved in most
of the civilised world.
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From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]>
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Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:57 am
Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back!
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM,
spudboy100 via Everything List <everything-
[email protected]> wrote:
No
death penalties. I am not sure I agree, but
if this is the goal, then things need to be
done really differently.
Hum? Check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capital_punishment.PNG
The USA are alone in this. It's not
some uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved
in most of the civilised world.
Telmo.
I
am not sure what you mean by "to seek my
goal".
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From: LizR <[email protected]>
To: everything-list <[email protected]
>
Sent: Mon, Jun 2,
2014 6:48 pm
Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back!
On
3 June 2014 10:28, spudboy100
via Everything List <[email protected]
> wrote:
To seek your goal I am
guessing elements of society,
law, and technology, must
improve.
I am not sure what you mean
by "to seek my goal".
For many, nothing is broken, or
they have an interest in
things continuing as they are.
We'd have to get into problem
soving mode to do all that. The
world does not seem to be in a
problem solving mood.
This
is of course true, "business
as usual" is nideed in the
process of destroying the
world. Not sure what it has to
do with the previous topic but
FWIW I agree.
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