On 04 Jun 2014, at 11:30, LizR wrote:

Maybe I misunderstood what you meant. You said

Countries with death penalty have usually more homicides than the others. Well, that's my opinion.
So I thought it was your opinion that countries with the death penalty have more murders.

Well, yes. (If only the state murders), but OK, I might revised my opinion, ... or question (like often) wikipedia sources. The statistics I read were concerning only the leading economic countries, and well, this looks to be the case.

Anyway, just for the question of death penalty, no statistics could change my mind. We just don't kill people (unless legitimate defense). That is not justice. It is called "justice expeditive" in French. It is a parody of justice. Of course the relation with death are highly cultural, and hard to change.

Bruno

If you kill one person you are a murderer,
If you kill one thousand persons, you are a hero,
If you kill all persons, you are a god.
(Edmond Rostand, from memory)



Hence my answer. Anyway, for your information, on the top map the colours are darker for more murders per head of population, which I think mainly shows that there are more murders in poorer countries on the whole (which is probably not surprising). On the second map, the death penalty is current in the red countries, the dark green ones don't have it at all, the light green ones only have it for exceptional circumstances like war crimes, and the orange ones have it in theory, but have a moratorium and haven't used it for at least 10 years.
Well it's a matter of statistics - either they do or they don't.
Well, "opinion" refers to what I think about death penalty. 'course.
For the statistics could tell tell what the colors means?

See above.
Here's the murder rate...



Here's the countries with the death penalty...



Hmm looks kind of inverse...ish.
Confirming what I said, or the contrary (which would contradict what I read about)?


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