Bruno, the case where you may be wrong is *"death penalty...does not deter people to kill..." *not even the perpetrator(?) except when (s)he is the executed person. Many killers kill again, not the dead ones. There is a 'human' emotion to GET EVEN, kill the killer, while there is a large international movement for forgiveness and refrain from descending to the lowly level of the criminal. The movement is fleurishing in Europe. JM
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > On 04 Jun 2014, at 00:40, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: > > No family, then it depends on the nature of the crime. Sparing a killer >> for a price? This reminds me of why the US doesn't have race riots anymore, >> like the LA Rodney King riots. Most often, there are "settlements" as when >> police do unlawful killings, because the family opts for the settlement. I >> am feeling that those nation states that do not have death penalties, are >> opting, as a cultural norm, Out of a sense of sqeamishness, which is >> understandable, rather than real justice or mercy. "well, if we just don't >> have the death penalty, we won't have to think about the victim." >> > > Death penalty does not make sense. I can understand personal individual > revenge, and could acquit a parent killing the one who has been violent > with his/her children, but I can't swallow the idea that a state coldly > kill someone. This is close to nonsense and barbary. It does not deter > people to kill, on the contrary it makes killing more banal or normal. It > can even motivate a type of serial killing where the serial killer > phantasms on his own death. Then it kills innocent people in a regular way. > Countries with death penalty have usually more homicides than the others. > Well, that's my opinion. > > Bruno > > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: meekerdb <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 5:27 pm >> Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! >> >> On 6/3/2014 2:03 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List >> wrote: >> >> You may be correct indeed, but if being part of the >> "civilized world" protects violent, predatory, criminals, >> including, (drumroll) Islamists and Putin, the I suppose I will >> demur from being civilized. Most capital crimes, even in Texas, >> are crimes of passion. I don't see it (no death penalty) as >> being civilized, I view it as an excuse to be uncaring toward >> the victim's family. >> >> What if the victim doesn't have any family? Or what if the family >> forgives the killer? Or excuses the killer for a price (as in >> Pakistan)? At one time punishment for crimes like murder was a matter >> of retribution by the family of the victim. But it was because this led >> to feuds and vendettas and weregild, that the Crown, later The State, >> took over the sole right to punish crimes. >> >> Note that saying the U.S. imposes the death penalty is only partly >> true. There is a military death penalty (which is true in most armies) >> and a federal death penalty; but among the states 32 have a death >> penalty and 18 do not. Most recently, Maryland abolished the death >> penalty last year. >> >> Brent >> >> The USA are alone in this. It's not some >> uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved in most of the >> civilised world. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 6:57 am >> Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 12:47 PM, >> spudboy100 via Everything List <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> No death >> penalties. I am not sure I agree, but if this is >> the goal, then things need to be done really >> differently. >> >> >> Hum? Check this out: >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Capital_punishment.PNG >> >> >> The USA are alone in this. It's not some >> uncertain utopia, it has been fully achieved in most >> of the civilised world. >> >> >> Telmo. >> >> >> I am not sure what you mean by >> "to seek my goal". >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: LizR <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <everything-list@ >> googlegroups.com> >> >> Sent: Mon, Jun 2, 2014 >> 6:48 pm >> Subject: Re: Pluto bounces back! >> >> >> >> >> On 3 June 2014 >> 10:28, spudboy100 via Everything List & >> lt;[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> To seek your goal I am guessing >> elements of society, law, and >> technology, must improve. >> >> I am not sure what you mean by >> "to seek my goal". >> >> >> For >> many, nothing is broken, or they >> have an interest in things continuing >> as they are. We'd have to get into >> problem soving mode to do all that. >> The world does not seem to be in a >> problem solving mood. >> >> >> This is of course true, "business as >> usual" is nideed in the process of >> destroying the world. Not sure what it >> has to do with the previous topic but >> FWIW I agree. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are >> subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop >> receiving emails from it, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> Visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are >> subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything >> List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop >> receiving emails from it, send an email to >> [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ >> group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >> from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscribe@ >> googlegroups.com. >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/ >> group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups. >> com. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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