No, what I think is that comp cannot be falsified because it predicts a MWI universe and MWI cannot be falsified experimentally. Bruno and others seem to think that the double slit experiment is evidence for comp. But I disagree. All the detectors in the detector screen are set to observe the same single world so that when a single particle is transmitted, only one particle is detected. If the double slit were evidence for comp, many particles would be detected for one being transmitted. The consensus in the physics community is that MWI cannot be falsified or verified, otherwise it would not be considered to be an interpretation of quantum theory.
Regarding reality coming from the collection of first person perspectives when there were no persons, my thinking is that comp also predicts a cosmic consciousness, essentially a god of the gap, that is "the really real part of reality". What persons provide is a future that cannot be computed because of their free will. If so, all the possible futures must continually be recalculated, presumably by the cosmic consciousness. But I also think this cannot happen in a MWI block universe that is deterministic because there is no need for consciousness or free will, or even a cosmic consciousness in a deterministic universe IMO. As a result those who believe in MWI also tend to believe that our consciousness and free will is an illusion. R On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 2:23 AM, Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > On 7 Jun 2014, at 2:55 pm, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > > Kim says: Every person carries a unique perspective, their 1p perception > of "reality". This is the main reason I go with comp; it's a vaccine as > Bruno says, agsinst the elimination of the person. Indeed, if comp is true, > persons are the only things that are the really real part of reality. > > Richard responds: That is one of the main reasons I do not go with comp > since the universe seemingly got along without persons for such a long > time. If I remember correctly when I questioned Bruno, he responded that > the universe can do without persons but is not so robust (my word). I do > not recall exactly how Bruno expressed it. > > > OK, fair enough but you seem to be suggesting that this train of logic > falsifies comp? How? In addition, how can we know that "persons" (ie > observers) were somehow not present at the birth of the universe? Numbers > were, apparently. > > k > > > > > > On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Kim Jones <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On 7 Jun 2014, at 12:58 pm, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> On 6 June 2014 23:46, Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Why do you feel I am being sarcastic? I thought what you wrote was >>>> amazing so I said so. Is it actually possible to deliver someone an honest >>>> compliment around here or is having a siege mentality mandatory? >>>> >>> >> I may have a bit of a siege mentality. As someone without any suitable >> academic qualifications to discuss physics, I always feel that I am >> probably about to shoot myself in the foot every time I open my mouth. >> >> (I also have a morbid fear of coming out with mixed metaphors... :-) >> >> >> Think nothing of it, Ma'am. The one who truly has the siege mentality is >> currently cooling his heels after attacking the nicest guy on the planet, >> Bruno, for having a different notion of falsification to him. This sort of >> thing furthermore illustrates what I meant when I said there can be as many >> sides to a story as there are heads in the room to advance a rational >> perspective or point of view. >> >> Sorry to mix up the threads momentarily, but why MUST there be only one >> definition of falsification? That to me is as ridiculous as saying there is >> only one side to a building. It simply depends on which side of the >> building you are standing in front of as to what you report. To think >> otherwise is like saying with confidence that all buldings are like those >> flats they use in hollywood to simulate a wild western town - a facade only >> and nothing behind that one face. What properly trained thinkers always do >> is seek the common ground in the presentation of their ideas. This involves >> the complete suspension of judgement; at least till all the pieces of the >> jigsaw are on the table. Every person carries a unique perspective, their >> 1p perception of "reality". This is the main reason I go with comp; it's a >> vaccine as Bruno says, agsinst the elimination of the person. Indeed, if >> comp is true, persons are the only things that are the really real part of >> reality. Let's have more respect for persons and their clearly diverging >> points of view. But, in order to have the same point of view we would all >> have to be standing in the exact same spot. 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