On 07 Jun 2014, at 06:55, Richard Ruquist wrote:
Kim says: Every person carries a unique perspective, their 1p
perception of "reality". This is the main reason I go with comp;
it's a vaccine as Bruno says, agsinst the elimination of the person.
Indeed, if comp is true, persons are the only things that are the
really real part of reality.
Richard responds: That is one of the main reasons I do not go with
comp since the universe seemingly got along without persons for such
a long time. If I remember correctly when I questioned Bruno, he
responded that the universe can do without persons but is not so
robust (my word). I do not recall exactly how Bruno expressed it.
It might depend on what you mean by "universe". With comp we know only
that the universal numbers entertains myriad or relations possible.
The question is: does those arithmetical dreams glue enough to
determine a unique, what? Mono-universe, bi-universe, .. omega-
multiverse, bigger cardinal?
With comp it is absolutely undecidable, for a machine, to "know" the
cardinality of "reality". In fact the sigma_1 truth is enough, and
with comp we restrict on it. From inside, we will still not escape the
the many infinities, the reals, the analytical, etc.
Comp is a vaccine because it shows that []p and []p & p, although in
front of the same "p", obeys quite different logics. Those logics
have, or have not models on which the measure (one) makes sense (or
not).
Bruno
On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Kim Jones <[email protected]>
wrote:
On 7 Jun 2014, at 12:58 pm, LizR <[email protected]> wrote:
On 6 June 2014 23:46, Kim Jones <[email protected]> wrote:
Why do you feel I am being sarcastic? I thought what you wrote was
amazing so I said so. Is it actually possible to deliver someone an
honest compliment around here or is having a siege mentality
mandatory?
I may have a bit of a siege mentality. As someone without any
suitable academic qualifications to discuss physics, I always feel
that I am probably about to shoot myself in the foot every time I
open my mouth.
(I also have a morbid fear of coming out with mixed metaphors... :-)
Think nothing of it, Ma'am. The one who truly has the siege
mentality is currently cooling his heels after attacking the nicest
guy on the planet, Bruno, for having a different notion of
falsification to him. This sort of thing furthermore illustrates
what I meant when I said there can be as many sides to a story as
there are heads in the room to advance a rational perspective or
point of view.
Sorry to mix up the threads momentarily, but why MUST there be only
one definition of falsification? That to me is as ridiculous as
saying there is only one side to a building. It simply depends on
which side of the building you are standing in front of as to what
you report. To think otherwise is like saying with confidence that
all buldings are like those flats they use in hollywood to simulate
a wild western town - a facade only and nothing behind that one
face. What properly trained thinkers always do is seek the common
ground in the presentation of their ideas. This involves the
complete suspension of judgement; at least till all the pieces of
the jigsaw are on the table. Every person carries a unique
perspective, their 1p perception of "reality". This is the main
reason I go with comp; it's a vaccine as Bruno says, agsinst the
elimination of the person. Indeed, if comp is true, persons are the
only things that are the really real part of reality. Let's have
more respect for persons and their clearly diverging points of view.
But, in order to have the same point of view we would all have to be
standing in the exact same spot. Now that's my definition of
impossible.
K
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