Telmo: I am a multilinguist (similar to you I suppose) and consider the word 'democracy' as the rule "Cratos" of "DEMOS". the totality of people. You (and probably others, too) mean It as a practical political format based on expression of desire by MANY (majority - called) 'voters'. Although it sounds commendable, it also is an oxymoron: not T W O people want the same (interest, policy, advantage, style and 1000 more, if you wish) so the 'voting' (hoax) is a compromise about those lies of the candidates: which are LESS controversial compromise - as formulated during the campaign. (It has little impact on the real activities an elected politician will abide by indeed). One thing is for sure: a "MAJORITY" vote implies a subdued MINORITY as a rule (in the US lately arond close to half and half). Furthermore I see no "so callable" democracy neither in authoritarian (religious, fascistic) systems, nor in extreme 'populist' attempts, like the Marxist-base, communist, or socialist (called in these parts: liberal) systems. The CAPITA:ISTIC (evolved slavery?) variations are aristocratic/feudal at best, if not aristocratic/fascistic, ie. plutocratic. (I call it Global Economic Feudalism).
One more request: could we mark this discussion AWAY from a bouncing back Pluto? Regards John Mikes On Fri, Jun 13, 2014 at 9:41 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:47 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On 12 Jun 2014, at 13:39, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> >> The inconceivable freedom is in your heart, but give time to time, >>> >> >> You are right and I'll shut up now :) >> >> >> Please don't shut up! >> >> As long as we stay polite the fun is in the conversation, ... in the >> detours sometimes. >> > > My main motivation for shutting up here is that I fully agree, but > sometimes forget, that freedom is 1p. > > I do feel bad for going off-topic. I think that you and others, who > contribute a lot to the main topic of this mailing list, deserve more > leeway than me in going off-topic. So since you're asking, I feel > comfortable with arguing a bit more. > > (I was being sarcastic when I said the politician "misspeak". I was > referring to the sort of doublespeak and euphemisms they employ. Of course > they lie.) > > The reason why I suspect that democracy is not stable, is that it might > always degrade to a Keynesian beauty contest. Modern democracy originated > from enlightenment ideals, of raising human potential -- raising the > average. The trouble is that, the best strategy to win elections is to > pander to the average. A political movement that attempts to raise the > average will lose to the Keynesian beauty contest players in the long term. > So I am arguing that democracy contains in itself the evolutionary pressure > that generates its own demise. I hope I'm missing something. > > Best, > Telmo. > > >> >> Thanks >> >> >> I thank you, >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >>> it is not that easy when we are two, saying nothing about three and >>> more. >>> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
