Samiya,
On 21 Jun 2014, at 10:17, Samiya Illias wrote:
Bruno,
Thanks for the advise! I never intended to be not humble or not
modest, but perhaps I've not been very clear in expressing myself
and my beliefs.
Thanks, I might have been a bit rude. Sorry.
But at some point we will have to even discuss about what we mean by
the term "belief", which has already a different sense in "religion"
and in epistemology.
The main difference between knowledge and belief is that knowledge
cannot be false, when belief can.
When I speak of faith being God's gift, it doesn't mean necessarily
being a Muslim.
Nice!
In Quran, 2:62, we read: 'Lo! Those who believe (in that which is
revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and
Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last
Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and
there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they
grieve.' [Translator: Pickthall]
Is it a different Lord?
What about eastern or central african religion?
I hope this is going to the tolerance of any "religion", as long as it
does not use violence and respect the laws, the environment, etc.
In the US sects are more easily made legal. In Europa they are
forbidden, which does not make them disappear. IMO, there is a degree
of responsibility of the state in protecting the kids from abuse of
religion.
I don't know if you wish to have a discussion, hence I'm not
responding to rest of the email. If there is any specific point that
you would like me to answer, please feel free to ask. I will try to
answer as lucidly as possible.
I am just a bit uneasy by your literalist interpretation of an
unmovable text (unless seen as a poem).
And, independently of the truth or untruth that it has been dictated
by God, in the comp theology, this is a sort of authoritative
argument, no matter what.
Machine's 'theology' is full of truth which cannot be asserted by the
machine.
Many people have posted their opinions and comments about the way
they perceive Islam from the outside. I suppose there is too much
fear and disgust, and till those emotions are not allayed, they will
not be willing to consider or discuss faith on its own merit, or
wonder why we still maintain that God is loving and kind. However,
since nobody is asking these questions, I am not responding, lest
they think I'm preaching my religion.
My problem is not Islam per se, but the post-Maimonides
aristotelianisation of religion, which has influenced Judaism,
Christianity and Islam. That was certainly useful for progress, but
today it is an unconscious dogma which prevents the progress. At
least, in the middle-east, platonism and neo-platonism survived 5
centuries more than in occident.
Also, there have been very few questions about the scientific clues
we find in the Quran. I assume that largely people are not
interested in looking at the text of the scripture or evaluating it
for factual accuracy.
I have followed your dialog with Liz with interest. I think she made
the point, though.
That's fine. We have a free-will and its each individual's own
choice. As Quran 2:186 reads: 'When My servants ask thee concerning
Me, I am indeed close (to them): I listen to the prayer of every
suppliant when he calleth on Me: Let them also, with a will, Listen
to My call, and believe in Me: That they may walk in the right
way.' [Translator: Yusuf Ali]
That is a nice quote.
I worry more when you seem to believe that the Lord would have said to
cut the hands of the thieves ... literally, in a context where some
muslims applies it today.
The god of the book(s) seem to be easily angry and I might prefer the
beatitude of some eastern divinities. I am also shocked by the
representation of gods under torture of the christians.
To me the idea that we have to fear God is self-contradictory,
although I can understand its appeal for anyone wanting to manipulate
and control others.
Bruno
http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/
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