> On 02-Jul-2014, at 7:44 am, "'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Samiya Illias > > Now I see why I am unable to answer you. Thanks for explaining! > So, in principle, you are against any claims of factual accuracy from any > person or religion, and therefore prejudiced against all scriptures? > > I apologize for interjecting… > however questioning a faith’s claims to factual accuracy in support of its > central tenets and dogma does not amount to prejudice. How is this prejudice? > A faith can be held for deeply felt reasons, but can faith present its > central dogmas in a manner that is falsifiable > Science accepts the need for experiment & falsification; why shouldn’t > religion? > Chris
Religion does accept the need for experiment & falsification. Rather, the Quran invites it's readers to think deeply and verify, as if this book was from other than God, it would have contained much discrepancy. I posted a selection of verses which contained info verifiable by today's science, PGC doesn't agree to their being as proofs of 'factual accuracy'. He asked for what the Quran says, so I quoted other verses explaining the faith, which obviously is non-verifiable. Hence, I asked what he was looking for. Perhaps 'prejudice' is too strong a word. I'll apologise to PGC. Thanks for interjecting :) Samiya > > Given that I am convinced about the Quran being the truth from God, and you > convinced that nobody can have anything from God, I don't see if there is a > point in continuing this debate. Thanks for indulging me and letting me > express my point of view. I pray that God blesses all those who earnestly > seek with assured faith. Amen. > Samiya > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 11:28 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:02 PM, Samiya Illias <[email protected]> wrote: > What is your definition of factual accuracy? Kindly explain with some > examples. > > You posted on this list bringing up "factual accuracy" regarding the Quran, > if I remember correctly. This is why I posed the question in a variety of > ways. > > But if I were to answer this in a strong technical sense of some domain, I > might be making the same mistake, blasphemy or "crookedness" that I sense in > the quoted/translated passages we discuss. > > Perhaps it is part of things that we cannot prove to each other and perhaps > this means that faith in this point, requires that we wrestle with, question, > doubt this kind of phenomenon or problem, of which there seem to be many, and > never, in our present kind of form at least, become comfortable with it. > > Following this kind of line, perhaps nobody can answer this for anybody else, > or not even for ourselves. Some people say "we are the answer"; but this is a > bit too easy for me, although I can relate to the thought. > > Sometimes this gives me vertigo or makes me feel empty, and at other times I > feel like the emptiness is just more space to fill with joy, fascination, > wonder, and negation of pain, that we can share; if we stay polite, honest, > maintain peace, stay alert, learn to reason with more distance, and > appropriacy, tame our bestiality to minimize harming creation, and lust for > control etc. > > This means distancing ourselves enough from our own strict theology and > learning from our inner self and creation more directly, which is difficult, > but the only way I can parse, that would stop us from calling ourselves > names, fighting, waging war to hide our insecurity. Our personal theology > gives us security but takes away what little control we may have. Our > insecurity and our fears however, is something we share across all religions. > Maybe we should question them more directly, rather than reciting our "best > verses", every time we can't find a good answer. > > You'll find many answers in many texts and some contributions on this list. > Whether they satisfy/convince you, or whether they can do so in principle or > not, is a different question. > > It is in any case a good constant question to wrestle with, learn from, and > read about for the theological search beyond and underneath the strong/loud > interpretation of strict confessional religion, cultural programs, and > authoritative misuse of science, religion, and history. It points also to the > question of the relation between theology/science, and the question of > possible abuse (e.g. prohibition). > > So you see, I can't really answer your question, but you said you could... > ;-) PGC > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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