On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 9:45 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/26/2014 7:58 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 25 Jun 2014, at 18:23, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 25, 2014 at 10:36 AM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > In Brussels, the atheists claims that agnostics are atheists, but >> this can only create a confusion. >> > > Concerning the existence of a china teapot in orbit around the planet > Uranus, are you a teapot atheist or agnostic? > > > Agnostic. You never know. I agree that with such a teapot, and what I > believe, I would say that it highly non plausible. > > Yet your analogy does not work, because the notion of god is not that > clear-cut. > > > Exactly what I said, that your distinction between atheist and agnostic, > > > *I make clear what I mean by agnostic (~[] g) and atheists ([]~g). > Natural language confuse easily ~[] and []~. Modal logic is useful if only > to explain that difference.* > > was to simplistic, because it depends on the meaning of "g". > One property of g here, independent of cultural/spiritual background, is transcendence. If your g is not at least transcendent, then why are we even employing the category or talking this way? So g is not justifiable, which is why this is not overly simplistic/bound to modal logic exclusively, but appropriate to describe even the confusion that leads to this discussion. Most agnostics I suppose, would even weaken ~[]g, and admit we don't even know that. But that some transcendent principle g is provably negated (note my post on the Greek root; just inversion of θεότης with negating prefix ἀ) with no partial tricks; is what makes []~g unconvincing. Like "how can you negate the existence of something that by definition, you don't understand?" So sure, you can take ~[]g too literally, not decide anything and die of thirst/starvation ;-) But []~g in contrast... that's not even rational, and I think Neil Degrasse Tyson, based on his reasoning and terms in the Atheist/Agnostic video linked above, would agree. PGC > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
