On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 7:36 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> On 6/27/2014 3:29 AM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 5:34 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > >> On 6/26/2014 4:19 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: >> >> But []~g in contrast... that's not even rational >> >> >> If you read it as "In every possible world g is false and g=Some God", >> it's irrational (unless g entails a contradiction). But that isn't >> atheism. An atheist says "g doesn't exist" and that's prefectly rational >> if g=Yaweh or g=Zeus or g=Baal or... Which is why I said it depends on g. >> If g is "some mystic unifying principle" then I'm agnostic about g. If g >> is some vain despotic theist god, then I'm an atheist about g. >> > > But then you are willing, in principle at least, to fight everybody with > bullshit notion of god from your point of view. > > > Why? People who believe in the despotic personal god are willing to fight > to spread the religion because their god commands it. They are also > willing to commit atrocious acts to suppress heresy and unbelief because if > one of their children fell away from belief they would suffer eternal > torment. The Holy Inquisition was quite rationally justified give their > beliefs. > Yes on the inquisition, if you can reason strongly on something that we can't grasp, resulting in deaths and suffering of people then we're capable of horrible stuff, I agree. But same is true with certainty in negation. > > > So religious war becomes justifiable, in principle. > > > I'm not sure how "justifiable" goes with "in principle". "Justifiable", > to me, implies balancing competing values. "In principle" implies some > absolute extreme. > Justifiable: "account/derive" usage. In principle: the appropriate ontology. > > > For me, no such nonsense is justifiable when invoking something > not-justifiable. To pretend such is to fuel these irrational disputes. > That's why this confusion between ~[]g and []~g is not fancy semantic > splitting hairs. > > It doesn't matter whether your god is a teapot or Zeus. Tells me nothing > about whether you're relationship is weakly questioning or you're prepared > to impose it upon others. ~{}g at least prevents, makes nonsensical any > authoritative/manipulative/political move to impose it on others. Do you > fight/work against Yaweh, Baal and the entire list you keep posting? > Because that's quite a lot of deities to fight, where do you find the time? > ;-) PGC > > > No, in fact I agree with Sam Harris that "atheist" and "agnostic" are not > very useful terms. We don't call someone who thinks fascism is a bad form > of society an "afascist". We don't call people who don't believe in Santa > Claus, "aClausists". > Atheist doesn't make sense indeed. But I guess you could find something better than agnostic: Suggest a more fitting term, for set of people who don't know but will consider assumptions, reasoning and evidence, without necessarily ceding to reductionisms or unquestionable faiths concerning them. How about "openly insecure people, not ashamed to give a fuck when they agree and not when they don't"? PGC > Brent > > > > >> >> Brent >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
