I have a cousin who claims to do this sort of thing. I try to avoid being cornered by him at parties (and I try to ignore the fact that his supernatural powers let him know I'm trying to avoid him...)
On 10 July 2014 09:13, Richard Ruquist <[email protected]> wrote: > Lucid dreaming has been used by Kurt Leland to observe the afterlife and > communicate with its inhabitants. > http://www.kurtleland.com/ > > > On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> You may have written exhaustively on this before, but, one more time >> please. How do you build a theology based on mathematics. I don't see >> Pythagoras as being a source of happiness for most earthlings. Of yourself, >> I have no doubt! Also, maybe the God of the Bible all came from Lucid >> Dreaming. One US academic psychologist claimed as much with the writings of >> Ezekiel. Lucid dreams are where you become aware one is dreaming, but feel >> like normal life, sensorially. >> >> let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You >> confirm what I said to John Clark. Atheist defend the God of the >> bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some passage >> you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't make that >> public. >> >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> >> To: everything-list <[email protected]> >> Sent: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 6:29 am >> Subject: Re: What's the answer? What's the question? >> >> >> On 04 Jul 2014, at 20:33, meekerdb wrote: >> >> > On 7/4/2014 9:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> >> On 03 Jul 2014, at 19:46, meekerdb wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 7/3/2014 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >>>> Only a pseudo-scientist would say that the science progresses >> >>>> have put any threat on the non literal reading of any "sacred >> >>>> texts". >> >>> >> >>> Wouldn't that depend on what the non-literal reading is? I think >> >>> what you mean is that there is always some non-literal reading >> >>> that is not threatened by science...or by logic, or by empathy, or >> >>> by anything else you care to name, because "non-literal" is just >> >>> "not what it says". "Mein Kampf" is also consistent with good >> >>> race relations, on a non-literal reading. >> >> >> >> 'Mein Kampf' contains hate. Hate is always literal, >> > >> > Is that from the Marchal dictionary of the Engligh language? >> > >> > >> >> or you are in a Charlie Chaplin movie. >> > >> > Or in the Christian bible: >> > >> > Proverbs 6:16, 19 These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false >> > witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. >> > >> > Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and >> > mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and >> > his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. >> > >> > With sufficient non-literalism these become "God is love". >> >> let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You >> confirm what I said to John Clark. Atheist defend the God of the >> bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some passage >> you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't make that >> public. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> You can study the deep non literal meaning in a book like Aldous >> >> Huxley "philosophia perennis". You can sum it by "Plato might be >> >> right", or "the laws of physics might have a deeper reason, perhaps >> >> even a purpose". >> > >> > When the meaning is "deeply non-literal" isn't is likely that it's >> > your own ideas you are imposing on the book. >> >> Understanding something is always a question of reducing or >> representing it to what you already understand. >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> The institutionalist religions are as far of religion than the >> >> today politics of health is from health. For basically the same >> >> reason (stealing people's money). >> >> >> >> A scientist interested in religion will always read a "sacred text" >> >> with the same equanimity than reading a "salvia divinorum" report. >> > >> > Equanamity is not the same thing as giving it a non-literal meaning. >> >> It consists in remaining open to all interpretations possible. >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> Religion, like nationalities, have also social identity role, >> >> indeed very often perverted, and we (the scientists) have to keep >> >> calm and try hard to not throw the unsolved questions when >> >> abstracting from the fairy tales and legends associated with some >> >> plausible, or not, contact between humans beliefs and truth. >> > >> > And to be careful not to insert our hopes and wishes in place of the >> > fairy tales. >> >> Yes. Nobody claims that it is easy. That is one reason more to >> encourage the reasoning and skeptical attitudes, especially in >> fundamental studies, like the theological one. >> >> By deciding that theology is automatically bullshit, we just >> perpetuate the institutional bullshit, a bit like making drug >> forbidden, we create and and make bigger the illicit drug markets >> which control and target the kids. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> > >> > Brent >> > >> > -- >> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> > Groups "Everything List" group. >> > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> > send an email to [email protected]. >> > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email >> to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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