Lucid dreaming has been used by Kurt Leland to observe the afterlife and communicate with its inhabitants. http://www.kurtleland.com/
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 3:52 PM, spudboy100 via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > You may have written exhaustively on this before, but, one more time > please. How do you build a theology based on mathematics. I don't see > Pythagoras as being a source of happiness for most earthlings. Of yourself, > I have no doubt! Also, maybe the God of the Bible all came from Lucid > Dreaming. One US academic psychologist claimed as much with the writings of > Ezekiel. Lucid dreams are where you become aware one is dreaming, but feel > like normal life, sensorially. > > let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You > confirm what I said to John Clark. Atheist defend the God of the > bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some passage > you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't make that > public. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> > To: everything-list <[email protected]> > Sent: Sun, Jul 6, 2014 6:29 am > Subject: Re: What's the answer? What's the question? > > > On 04 Jul 2014, at 20:33, meekerdb wrote: > > > On 7/4/2014 9:12 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> > >> On 03 Jul 2014, at 19:46, meekerdb wrote: > >> > >>> On 7/3/2014 8:08 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >>>> Only a pseudo-scientist would say that the science progresses > >>>> have put any threat on the non literal reading of any "sacred > >>>> texts". > >>> > >>> Wouldn't that depend on what the non-literal reading is? I think > >>> what you mean is that there is always some non-literal reading > >>> that is not threatened by science...or by logic, or by empathy, or > >>> by anything else you care to name, because "non-literal" is just > >>> "not what it says". "Mein Kampf" is also consistent with good > >>> race relations, on a non-literal reading. > >> > >> 'Mein Kampf' contains hate. Hate is always literal, > > > > Is that from the Marchal dictionary of the Engligh language? > > > > > >> or you are in a Charlie Chaplin movie. > > > > Or in the Christian bible: > > > > Proverbs 6:16, 19 These six things doth the LORD hate ... A false > > witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. > > > > Luke 14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and > > mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and > > his own life also, he cannot be my disciple. > > > > With sufficient non-literalism these become "God is love". > > let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. You > confirm what I said to John Clark. Atheist defend the God of the > bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some passage > you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't make that > public. > > > > > > > > > >> > >> You can study the deep non literal meaning in a book like Aldous > >> Huxley "philosophia perennis". You can sum it by "Plato might be > >> right", or "the laws of physics might have a deeper reason, perhaps > >> even a purpose". > > > > When the meaning is "deeply non-literal" isn't is likely that it's > > your own ideas you are imposing on the book. > > Understanding something is always a question of reducing or > representing it to what you already understand. > > > > > > > >> The institutionalist religions are as far of religion than the > >> today politics of health is from health. For basically the same > >> reason (stealing people's money). > >> > >> A scientist interested in religion will always read a "sacred text" > >> with the same equanimity than reading a "salvia divinorum" report. > > > > Equanamity is not the same thing as giving it a non-literal meaning. > > It consists in remaining open to all interpretations possible. > > > > > > >> > >> Religion, like nationalities, have also social identity role, > >> indeed very often perverted, and we (the scientists) have to keep > >> calm and try hard to not throw the unsolved questions when > >> abstracting from the fairy tales and legends associated with some > >> plausible, or not, contact between humans beliefs and truth. > > > > And to be careful not to insert our hopes and wishes in place of the > > fairy tales. > > Yes. Nobody claims that it is easy. That is one reason more to > encourage the reasoning and skeptical attitudes, especially in > fundamental studies, like the theological one. > > By deciding that theology is automatically bullshit, we just > perpetuate the institutional bullshit, a bit like making drug > forbidden, we create and and make bigger the illicit drug markets > which control and target the kids. > > Bruno > > > > > > > Brent > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, > > send an email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email > to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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