You cannot now claim, baring evidence, that we can change reality, even here on planet Earth, in a cogent way. It's like somebody falling off Mt. Evidence, in which we can have an opinion about our dilemma, but reversing gravity or dreaming up a parachute to use during our fall is not part of the world we all must live in. Give 10,000 years of future technology, and human survival, maybe then.
Any theory of everithing that implies infinite many unverses in compatible with everithing. Gods, miracles, psicquism, telequinesia, telepaty etc starting from the. monistic materialism, some configurations of matter produce minds, thererfore under these theories are infinite many variations of minds, not potentially. They are logical predictions of these theories. These minds under monistic materialism are considered as matter that can reshape matter in a complex way. Some of these minds can create second level realities in which they may act as gods, either making use of extraordinary knowledge of reality in relation with other less advanced minds, for which they may appear as gods. or alternatively they can simulate virtual realities in which accoding with monistic materialism can simulate minds inside these second level simulated realities. These superior minds are free to change the realities that they have under partial control (in the first case) or under total control (in the second). So they can perform miracles and so on and so on. We don´t know what is our level as minds in the multiverse, therefore everithing is theoretically possible even under this monistic hypothesis. Everithing goes. -----Original Message----- From: Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Thu, Jul 17, 2014 12:02 pm Subject: Re: Atheist 2014-07-17 10:31 GMT+02:00, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: > > On 17 Jul 2014, at 01:00, Alberto G. Corona wrote: > >> The latest theories of everithing admit absolutely everithing. > > Which one? What do you mean by "absolutely everything"? > > > >> they >> are no longer materialistic. Either they are no-theories or they allow >> any interpretation anyone may like about the know and unknow reality. > > I really don't know what theories you refer too. Any theory of everithing that implies infinite many unverses in compatible with everithing. Gods, miracles, psicquism, telequinesia, telepaty etc starting from the. monistic materialism, some configurations of matter produce minds, thererfore under these theories are infinite many variations of minds, not potentially. They are logical predictions of these theories. These minds under monistic materialism are considered as matter that can reshape matter in a complex way. Some of these minds can create second level realities in which they may act as gods, either making use of extraordinary knowledge of reality in relation with other less advanced minds, for which they may appear as gods. or alternatively they can simulate virtual realities in which accoding with monistic materialism can simulate minds inside these second level simulated realities. These superior minds are free to change the realities that they have under partial control (in the first case) or under total control (in the second). So they can perform miracles and so on and so on. We don´t know what is our level as minds in the multiverse, therefore everithing is theoretically possible even under this monistic hypothesis. Everithing goes. > > > > >> In certain sense materialism has given up without being conscious of >> it. That is because its foundation is metaphysical and metaphysics has >> experimented a regression to the stone age, or at least to the level >> previous to the greek phylosophy. > > That has begun since theology has been banished from academy, and > replaced by a social sort of authorianism. > > It is normal for those wanting power to take over on the fundamental > theories. It is bad and sad, but natural and usual. That's why we must > be vigilant, and fight for a coming back to reason and observation in > *all* fields, not just on God and health. > > Bruno > > > > >> >> >> 2014-07-09 22:12 GMT+02:00, John Mikes <[email protected]>: >>> I apologize for taking a new title for this over-discussed topic. >>> Somebody (sounds like Bruno, the fonts look like Brent) wrote: >>> >>> "...let us do theology seriously instead of referring to fairy tales. >>> You confirm what I said to John Clark. *Atheist* defend the God of >>> the >>> bible. Read Plotinus, forget the bible, unless you find some passage >>> you like and which inspire you, but that is private, don't make that >>> public. " >>> >>> I refer to the generality about 'atheists' in the passage. I >>> emphasize that I am no atheist in such a sense who IMO requires 'a >>> god >>> to deny' (my vocabulary includes the term as 'denying' instead of >>> 'defending'). >>> >>> I simply exclude those facets which are beyond our reach at present. >>> In speaking about Everything I think of an infinite complexity of >>> components we cannot even understand (today) - nor the relations >>> between them ALL. We include SOME into our 'model of the world' as of >>> yesterday without knowing if we are right. >>> >>> In such sense even a (sane-minded) adilt can be an 'atheist'. >>> >>> John M >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>> send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to everything- >>> [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>> >> >> >> -- >> Alberto. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >> Groups "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >> send an email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Alberto. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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