Excellent point, Chris. Entities do not exist in isolation from each other... We have to include the "world" or "environment" of an entity when we consider it in our models and reasonings. I wonder how an AGI will develop a model of its world and what kind of world would it be.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:43 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *John Clark > *Sent:* Monday, September 01, 2014 10:55 AM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: AI Dooms Us > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Stephen Paul King < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hold it! Where is the information about the physical system required to > run that 750 Meg of information contained? > > > > DNA contains information on how to make stuff but it doesn't actually do > anything, only proteins and RNA do things. DNA by itself just sits there > and a 1000 line lisp program printed out onto 100 pages of paper would just > sit there, both need hardware to run on. To run the 750 meg DNA program a > cell needs Mitochondrial RNA, Transfer RNA, Messenger RNA, and several > thousand protein enzymes. > > Don’t forget to mention the ribosomes. > > > > And to answer your question, every single bit of information needed to > make all those different types of RNA and all those different types of > proteins is contained in that original 750 Meg, it's equivalent to not only > containing the program but also all the information you need to make the > computer to run the program on. And if that reminds you a little of the > chicken or the egg problem welcome to the club, it has caused origin of > like theorists no end of problems. Did DNA, which knows what to do but > can't do it, come first or did proteins, which can do things but doesn't > know what to do, come first? > > John K Clark > > > > Can a single complex multi-cellular organism be understood or defined > completely without also viewing it in its larger multi-species context? > > Within our own selves; we are not alone! And we do not function in life on > our own either. Our living bodies are thriving diverse communities of > microorganisms as well. Without all of that externally stored DNA and all > that dynamic interactions with these other co-evolved organisms would we > even be able to survive for long? We certainly cannot live without them and > remain in good health. > > Without also accounting for all the services the beneficial micro flora > and fauna provide us and then adding this externally reposited DNA into the > tally of the set of information needed to produce a healthy human > individual… well without doing this we are just looking at the tip of the > genetic and biological iceberg. > > -Chris > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/YJeHJO5dNqQ/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kindest Regards, Stephen Paul King Senior Researcher Mobile: (864) 567-3099 [email protected] http://www.provensecure.us/ “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as attorney work product. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, distribution, or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, notify sender immediately and delete this message immediately.” -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
