Hi Chris, Exactly! I recall David Bohm speaking about "interpenetration" in this sense. My current work is on computational environments and I am surprised as to how little research has been done in this area that I can find.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 7:54 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Stephen Paul King > *Sent:* Monday, September 01, 2014 4:03 PM > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: AI Dooms Us > > > > Excellent point, Chris. Entities do not exist in isolation from each > other... We have to include the "world" or "environment" of an entity when > we consider it in our models and reasonings. > > I wonder how an AGI will develop a model of its world and what kind of > world would it be. > > Read a study that is in the science news lately that within a period even > as brief as just 24 hours a person or familiar grouping of peoples biotic > auras will completely take over and colonize the environment of a hotel > room. We are dragging a microscopic jungle with us wherever we go and in > the spots we habituate – in those same exact spots our fingerprint specific > micro-biota also sets up shop. > > There are more than fifty different known species of microorganisms that > have evolved to live on human tooth enamel (and similar numbers for dogs, > cats, rabbits, crocodiles.. ) that is just the enamel surface… have not > even hit the gum line where there is a veritable population explosion and > many more microorganisms. > > We live & breathe, are bathed in… a living biotic earth planet soup. Our > bodies are like sieves and we are filled by a still poorly understood > micro-biotic ecosystem that interacts with our own body’s cells in so many > ways both beneficial and parasitic. > > The reductionist view of seeing an organism in isolation of its > environment (including its inner environment) misses the mark and fails to > capture the dynamic living reality that we are walking talking ecosystems… > each single one of us…. Veritable jungles living deep inside us. Our lives > are shared lives. > > Life or perhaps living systems, involve multiple actors. > > -Chris > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:43 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *John Clark > *Sent:* Monday, September 01, 2014 10:55 AM > > > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: AI Dooms Us > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Stephen Paul King < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > > Hold it! Where is the information about the physical system required to > run that 750 Meg of information contained? > > > > DNA contains information on how to make stuff but it doesn't actually do > anything, only proteins and RNA do things. DNA by itself just sits there > and a 1000 line lisp program printed out onto 100 pages of paper would just > sit there, both need hardware to run on. To run the 750 meg DNA program a > cell needs Mitochondrial RNA, Transfer RNA, Messenger RNA, and several > thousand protein enzymes. > > Don’t forget to mention the ribosomes. > > > > And to answer your question, every single bit of information needed to > make all those different types of RNA and all those different types of > proteins is contained in that original 750 Meg, it's equivalent to not only > containing the program but also all the information you need to make the > computer to run the program on. And if that reminds you a little of the > chicken or the egg problem welcome to the club, it has caused origin of > like theorists no end of problems. Did DNA, which knows what to do but > can't do it, come first or did proteins, which can do things but doesn't > know what to do, come first? > > John K Clark > > > > Can a single complex multi-cellular organism be understood or defined > completely without also viewing it in its larger multi-species context? > > Within our own selves; we are not alone! And we do not function in life on > our own either. Our living bodies are thriving diverse communities of > microorganisms as well. Without all of that externally stored DNA and all > that dynamic interactions with these other co-evolved organisms would we > even be able to survive for long? We certainly cannot live without them and > remain in good health. > > Without also accounting for all the services the beneficial micro flora > and fauna provide us and then adding this externally reposited DNA into the > tally of the set of information needed to produce a healthy human > individual… well without doing this we are just looking at the tip of the > genetic and biological iceberg. > > -Chris > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/YJeHJO5dNqQ/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > > -- > > Kindest Regards, > > Stephen Paul King > > Senior Researcher > > Mobile: (864) 567-3099 > > [email protected] > > http://www.provensecure.us/ > > > “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use of > the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain > information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and > exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as > attorney work product. 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