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Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 4:03 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: AI Dooms Us
Excellent point, Chris. Entities do not exist in isolation from each other...
We have to include the "world" or "environment" of an entity when we consider
it in our models and reasonings.
I wonder how an AGI will develop a model of its world and what kind of world
would it be.
Read a study that is in the science news lately that within a period even as
brief as just 24 hours a person or familiar grouping of peoples biotic auras
will completely take over and colonize the environment of a hotel room. We are
dragging a microscopic jungle with us wherever we go and in the spots we
habituate – in those same exact spots our fingerprint specific micro-biota also
sets up shop.
There are more than fifty different known species of microorganisms that have
evolved to live on human tooth enamel (and similar numbers for dogs, cats,
rabbits, crocodiles.. ) that is just the enamel surface… have not even hit the
gum line where there is a veritable population explosion and many more
microorganisms.
We live & breathe, are bathed in… a living biotic earth planet soup. Our bodies
are like sieves and we are filled by a still poorly understood micro-biotic
ecosystem that interacts with our own body’s cells in so many ways both
beneficial and parasitic.
The reductionist view of seeing an organism in isolation of its environment
(including its inner environment) misses the mark and fails to capture the
dynamic living reality that we are walking talking ecosystems… each single one
of us…. Veritable jungles living deep inside us. Our lives are shared lives.
Life or perhaps living systems, involve multiple actors.
-Chris
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:43 PM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List
<[email protected]> wrote:
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of John Clark
Sent: Monday, September 01, 2014 10:55 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: AI Dooms Us
On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 1:03 PM, Stephen Paul King <[email protected]>
wrote:
> Hold it! Where is the information about the physical system required to run
> that 750 Meg of information contained?
DNA contains information on how to make stuff but it doesn't actually do
anything, only proteins and RNA do things. DNA by itself just sits there and a
1000 line lisp program printed out onto 100 pages of paper would just sit
there, both need hardware to run on. To run the 750 meg DNA program a cell
needs Mitochondrial RNA, Transfer RNA, Messenger RNA, and several thousand
protein enzymes.
Don’t forget to mention the ribosomes.
And to answer your question, every single bit of information needed to make all
those different types of RNA and all those different types of proteins is
contained in that original 750 Meg, it's equivalent to not only containing the
program but also all the information you need to make the computer to run the
program on. And if that reminds you a little of the chicken or the egg problem
welcome to the club, it has caused origin of like theorists no end of problems.
Did DNA, which knows what to do but can't do it, come first or did proteins,
which can do things but doesn't know what to do, come first?
John K Clark
Can a single complex multi-cellular organism be understood or defined
completely without also viewing it in its larger multi-species context?
Within our own selves; we are not alone! And we do not function in life on our
own either. Our living bodies are thriving diverse communities of
microorganisms as well. Without all of that externally stored DNA and all that
dynamic interactions with these other co-evolved organisms would we even be
able to survive for long? We certainly cannot live without them and remain in
good health.
Without also accounting for all the services the beneficial micro flora and
fauna provide us and then adding this externally reposited DNA into the tally
of the set of information needed to produce a healthy human individual… well
without doing this we are just looking at the tip of the genetic and biological
iceberg.
-Chris
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