On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:01 PM, Stephen Paul King < stephe...@provensecure.com> wrote:
> Hi Telmo, > > Access to resources seems to only allow for reproduction and > continuation. For an AGI to "act on the world" it has to be able to use > those resources in a manner that implies that it can "sense the world" that > it exist within. This seems to be a catch-22 situation. ISTM, that if a > computation has no means to model itself as existing in a world or the > equivalent, how would it ever operate as if it did in the first place? > Blind clock-work....? > Hi Stephen, So what I'm proposing is in agreement with John Clark's clarification: the 1000 lines of lisp would define an algorithm that could learn whatever it needed from its environment. Consider the possibilities afforded by an environment consisting of some computer connected to the Internet in 2014. Banking systems. Hiring people around the world to do things. 99% of all the books ever written. The wikipedia. Security cameras. Email. Sure, the AGI would live in an alien world in some sense, but this alien world has a very large and rich interface with our own. I believe the AGI would have enough information and available actions to form a very good theory of self. No? Btw, the possibility of the Amoeba DNA acting as a brain is really interesting, thanks for that. For a long time I have the intuition that the computer we use to host our own mind includes gene expression mechanisms. Why wouldn't it? Neurotransmitters appear to be able to influence gene expression (e.g. http://www.researchgate.net/publication/7146079_Gene_expression_is_differentially_regulated_by_neurotransmitters_in_embryonic_neuronal_cortical_culture/links/0fcfd50a3f2cb43ce7000000) and, conversely, neurotransmitters are ultimately expressed by genes. Evolution doesn't seem to care so much about good software development practices, namely modularity... I used to be a big believer in biologically-inspired AI efforts. Paradoxically, the more I learn about biology the more I suspect this is not such a good idea. Untangling the mess that evolution created to instantiate AGIs is perhaps incidental to writing an AGI algo. Cheers Telmo. > > > > On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 6:49 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> >> On Mon, Sep 1, 2014 at 2:24 AM, LizR <lizj...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On 1 September 2014 04:27, John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Telmo Menezes <te...@telmomenezes.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> > The Kolmogorov complexity of AGI could be relatively low -- maybe it >>>>> can be expressed in 1000 lines of lisp. >>>>> >>>> >>>> That is not a crazy idea because we know for a fact that in the entire >>>> human genome there are only 3 billion base pairs. There are 4 bases so each >>>> base can represent 2 bits, there are 8 bits per byte so that comes out to >>>> just 750 meg, and that's enough assembly instructions to make not just a >>>> brain and all its wiring but a entire human baby. So the instructions MUST >>>> contain wiring instructions such as "wire a neuron up this way and then and >>>> then repeat that procedure exactly the same way 917 billion times". And >>>> there is a huge amount of redundancy in the human genome, if you used a >>>> file compression program like ZIP on that 750 meg you could easily put the >>>> entire thing on half a CD, not a DVD not a Blu ray just a old fashioned >>>> steam powered vanilla CD. >>>> >>>> This is enough information to build a general purpose conscious being, >>> it would appear, but a baby is only born with some fairly simple >>> instinctive behaviour (plus the adolescent gains some more instinctive >>> behaviour at puberty). Even the visual cortex, which is probably not >>> conscious and probably comes out roughly similar in most people, is created >>> by trial and error. The neocortex must be even more so, to the Nth degree. >>> Hence you have 750 meg of data (or whatever the figure is) that builds an >>> infant, then you have a world which educates them. >>> >>> As per what I was saying about Watson (or whatever it's called), the >>> baby needs to be immersed in an environment in order to develop any form of >>> consciousness beyond the rudimentary raw feels provided by nature - that >>> is, it needs to be educated by interaction with the environment, and with >>> other people (i.e. assimilate culture). >>> >> >> Agreed, but this is precisely what makes the AGI scenario scary. Imagine >> this potentially simple algorithm (similar to the one encoded in our DNA) >> being able to bootstrap itself with the information available on the >> Internet. 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