John, I promised not to ARGUE WITH YOU, so this is no argument either., Just a question: how do you know there is 'nothing else' beyond your tronies? even if Brent may call them "excitations of a more fundamental field" (excuse me, Brent). There may be more of such, more fundamental and more than just fields and even Bruno's simplification of 'fundamental sciences' into the noumenon :theology" does not invoke any lead for some 'supernatural' CEO. Mathematics is human thinking, we are smart to have mastered SOME of it (not all, as the progression of math shows). John M
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 5:15 PM, John Ross <[email protected]> wrote: > Tell him to read my book, “Tronnies, The Source of the Coulomb Force”, > available at Amazon.com. > > > > *First a quick summary of how our Universe operates:* > > > > Tronnies are point particles with a charge of *plus e* or *minus e*, and > the point focus of Coulomb force waves. Tronnies have no mass and no > volume, but because of their charge they are the source of the Coulomb > force which expands out from each tronnie at the speed of light to fill our > Universe with speed of light Coulomb waves. *Everything *in our Universe > is made from tronnies or things made from tronnies. > > > > Three tronnies make an electron (with a charge of *minus e*) and three > tronnies make a positron (with a charge of *plus e*). Two tronnies make > a particle I call an entron (with a charge of zero) but which provides all > of the energy of our Universe and all of the mass of our Universe except > for the mass of electrons and positrons. The tronnies travel in perfect > circles at a speed of π/2 times the speed of light inside the electrons, > positrons and entrons. In doing so each tronnie is always located at the > exact focus of its own Coulomb force waves. The attractive and repulsive > integrated Coulomb forces between the two tronnies in the entron exactly > balance in the diametrical direction to an endless number of decimal > places, so entrons can be stable for billions of years. The entron > diameter d’= 8.6665 X10-10 eVm/E, where E is the energy in eV of the > entron or its photon. > > > > There is one entron in each photon and it provides the photon with its > energy and mass (yes, photons have a mass equal to E/c2). Gamma ray > entrons exists inside atomic nuclei. Visible light and ultraviolet light > entrons exist inside atoms and infrared entrons exist inside molecules; and > these entrons can be and often are released as the corresponding photons. > > > > In a photon the entron travels in a circle at the speed of 2c and forward > at the speed of c. Its circle in the photon has a diameter that is 911 > times the entron circle and the diameter of the photon circle is λ/1.5708 > (i.e. the photon’s wavelength divided by π/2). A very important entron is > the neutrino entron which has an energy of 9.28 X 108 eV and provides > more than 99 % of the mass of each proton and each anti-proton and > therefore more than 99 % of the mass of our universe. The proton is > comprised of an electron that has captured a neutrino entron and two > positrons. The nucleus of the hydrogen is comprised of a proton and about > 15 gamma ray entrons which are released when four high energy protons > combine to make an alpha particle and helium and some of the gamma ray > entrons are released as fusion energy. The alpha particle is a combination > of four protons, two electrons and some gamma ray entrons. The four > protons are circling in the center of the alpha particle and the paths of > the two electrons extend beyond the paths of the four circling protons, so > at very short distances (but not too short) alpha particles can be > attractive to each other. The nuclei of other atoms in the periodic table > are made mostly from combinations of alpha particles and gamma ray entrons > or alpha particles, electrons and gamma ray entrons. For example, three > alpha particles combine to make carbon 12 and four alpha particles combine > to make oxygen 16. But beryllium 8 is unstable. Coulomb forces hold > atomic nuclei together. There is no “strong force”, but at these distances > the attractive Coulomb force is very strong and exactly balances the > repulsive Coulomb forces. > > > > Black Holes at the center of each galaxy continuously consumes portions of > its own galaxy, brakes down molecules and atoms to release their protons, > creates anti-protons which combine with the protons annihilating both of > them and releasing the neutrino entrons which in turn radiate out of the > Black Hole to provide the gravity of the galaxy. Some neutrino entrons are > temporally stopped in stars, planets and moons and later released to give > those objects their gravity. Our universe was born in a Big Bang explosion > of a Monster Black Hole that had consumed nearly all of our predecessor > Universe. At the time of the Big Bang explosion a few remaining galaxies > were barreling in toward the Monster Black Hole at many thousand times the > speed of light. These remaining galaxies then continued through th > regionof the monster Black Hole spreading out in all directions at many > thousand times the speed of light to produce the inflation period of our > Universe. Our Universe will end in the same manner of our predecessor > Universe. It all works perfectly. No God is needed. However, I have not > figured out where the first tronnies or the first Coulomb forces came from. > > > > *So now I can comment on God Matter.* > > > > Since *Everything* in our Universe is made from tronnies or things made > from tronnies and since tronnies are point particles which have no volume, > 100 percent of our Universe has to be empty space. We all know that most > of the space inside atoms is empty space. However when we look very close > the space inside the nucleus of atoms and the space inside electrons and > protons is also empty space. Entrons and photons are each two point > particles. So our entire Universe is either Coulomb waves of focus points > of Coulomb waves. But each tronnie is continually producing Coulomb force > waves that spread out in all directions at the speed of light to completely > fill our Universe with speed of light Coulomb force waves. And these point > particles combine to produce particles such as entrons, electrons, > positrons, protons, atoms, molecules, stars, planets, moons and people, all > with mass. > > > > So you can tell your friend that all of the “matter” in our Universe is > only tronnies (each of which has no mass but is a focus of Coulomb forces) > and the Coulomb forces produced by the tronnies. These tronnies can > combine to produce particles with energy and mass. So I would say If you > friend needs a God in nature, He should be the Coulomb force or maybe the > maker of the Coulomb force. > > > > > > > > *From:* [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] *On Behalf Of *meekerdb > *Sent:* Friday, October 03, 2014 1:56 PM > *To:* [email protected] > *Subject:* Re: generalizations_of_islam > > > > On 10/3/2014 10:20 AM, 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List wrote: > > >>A lot of evidence for some God (like the god Matter), is not a proof of > its existence, still less so in front of complex open problems. > > > > I have been having a very long argument -- on another list – with a man > whose intellect and mind I very much respect, but who is irrationally > attached to the notion of the god Matter. It has gone on for over fifty > back and forth posts and this person – who is intelligent and very aware of > events in the world and in the mind… a man who has had deep spiritual > experiences and is someone I generally respect. > > But my questioning of the “need” for actual real stuff in the universe and > my pointing out that fundamentally all we know about the universe is > information we can measure about it and that it is information itself (and > information processes – i.e. computation) that seems to be – and arguably > could be – fundamental… it hit a brick wall in his brain. There is just no > budging him on it and he has become quite heated in his insistence on the > existence of – as you put it god Matter. It keeps creeping up in the > arguments he puts forth as a given. > > It is a difficult problem to even get someone to question whether or not > this “god Matter” is even necessary for the formulation of an explanation > for reality. > > > Matter is something not very well defined, even in physics. It's roughly > fermions. But fermions are thought to be excitations of a more fundamental > field. That's why physicists like Max Tegmark are led to propose it's math > all the way down. > > But it's pejorative to refer to it as "god". Nobody worships matter. > Physics textbooks don't have moral prescriptions derived from QED. To call > it "god" is to give into Bruno's desire to make all fundamental science > "theology". > > Brent > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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