On 16 Oct 2014, at 05:28, meekerdb wrote:
On 10/15/2014 7:25 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 4:00 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]>
wrote:
Bruno seems to think that if you fail to believe in the existence
of Santa Claus you must have a definite idea of what "Santa Claus"
refers to and therefore you do believe in Santa Claus. A curious
inference for a logician.
That's just fancy language, wherein semantic of "Santa" is mapped
to "fictitious entity, old, fat, gift giving etc"; so you applying
belief predicate to it results in believing untrue fiction.
What's more curious than this is why you choose "Santa" instead of
"house" or "Brent" in your example.
But roughly I'd say yes, to negate some proposition you have to
know semantic it refers to and point to/represent that idea, with
all its possible flaws, and note said negation. And that isn't
curious, I'd call it normal because I can't think of some inversion
before I have a grasp on some usual state of affairs. PGC
I works with "house" and "Brent" too. What's curious is that
failing to believe in anything implies that you do believe in it.
Precisely: atheists does not fail to believe in God: they believe that
the notion of God has no sense, but they use only the christian God to
make their point.
And to believe that something does not exist, you need a precise
version of it. So atheits, like christian (the fundamentalist one)
believe that they have the right notion of God. the fundamentalist
christian believe it exists, and the atheists believe it does not
exist, and as you see, both share the same concept, and defend it up
to the point of not studying the field which exemplifies the subtlety
of the concept. for the greeks: god is defined by the ultimate reality
that we search. It is a pointer of what we don't know about the reason
why we are here.
I suppose it goes along with the spirit of "everything". If I can
think of it clearly enough to fail to believe it exists then it must
be among the the everything that exists.
The concept exist, but both fundamentalist christian and atheists
believe that there is no other concepts or definitions possible.
You see the point?
Bruno
Brent
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