On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Stephen Paul King < [email protected]> wrote:
> Hi Telmo, > > You wrote: "If I understand the ideas in Mitra's paper correctly, > wouldn't it require that you yourself had forgotten about the discussion?" > > That is what I thought at first as well and concluded that it was just > a misremembering or delusion. But I could not shake how "well constructed > the memory is. It was as if my memories somehow survived while all > objective traces vanished. All the non-1p traces had vanished but all of > the 1p content was still there. > Ok, that is quite intriguing. Have you tried asking your previous interlocutors? Could you have dreamt it? I had some very vivid dreams when I was a kid that feel like real memories to me. I only assume they are dreams because of the content (a plush toy gaining life, being pushed out of a very tall building and things like that). Looking back I suspect we are born into a very psychedelic state, but that's another topic. I'm not trying to grill you. I find this really interesting so would like to know the details. > > I have a suspicion as to how this might happen. I think that it may be > evidence of part of Bruno's argument that we are not single computations. > > If our individual minds span over all of the brains that could > implement them and each brain is tied into a single physical world, then so > long as the "wipe" occurs only in some some of the physical worlds, then it > is possible to "retain the memory". > This implies a restricted form of computational universality - not all > software can "run" on each and every piece of hardware - and that there may > be a way of selecting what the software does by steering which hardware it > is available to run on. In this way one can "control" the software without > taking any direct action on it. > Interesting, I hope Bruno can comment on this. So essentially the physical universe would be a type of consensus amongst infinite instantiations of a mind? I guess your experience could be called a "reverse déjà vu" or maybe a "jamais vu". > > This hypothesis makes sense to me as I am using a dualist ontology, > minds and bodies are not one and the same "thing" or "process" - I reject > Descartes' substance dualism - the isomorphism implied by the duality is > not between individual minds (logical structures/algebras) and brains > (topological spaces/groups), but between something more like quotient > <http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/5104/quotienting-a-set-by-an-equivalence-relation-such-that-the-natural-projection-is> > of adjoint categories <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Functor_category>. > > I can't find a good mathematical description of the concept yet... > > On Thu, Oct 16, 2014 at 8:32 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> >> >> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Stephen Paul King < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Hi Telmo, >>> >>> One event involved an email exchange that I has with two people. We >>> where discussing theories of emergent space-time. Nothing really >>> consequential. It didn't go anywhere as on of the persons said that I had >>> to wait for his paper to be published for further information on his theory. >>> Thing is, now the only evidence that I can find that the events >>> happened are in my memory. All of the emails and so forth are gone, as if >>> they where wiped clean from our reality. >>> >> >> Thanks Stephen. >> If I understand the ideas in Mitra's paper correctly, wouldn't it require >> that you yourself had forgotten about the discussion? >> >> >>> >>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 5:58 AM, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Stephen, >>>> >>>> On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Stephen Paul King < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Brent, >>>>> >>>>> I have had a couple of experiences that proved to me that there >>>>> exists something like the theist God. Things that I can not explain >>>>> otherwise are some kind of "divine intervention" that saved my life. Could >>>>> there be an explanation that is completely secular? >>>>> >>>> >>>> Could it be explained by MWI + anthropic principle? You died in a large >>>> number of branches, in the ones where you survived something very unlikely >>>> necessarily happened? >>>> >>>> >>>>> I am open to such, but its like arguing that something like the >>>>> spontaneous unscrambling of an egg actually happened but one does not have >>>>> a collection of unimpeachable witnesses available. >>>>> >>>> >>>>> Ever you have an experience that is like Mitra's history rewrite >>>>> idea http://arxiv.org/abs/0902.3825? I have! >>>>> >>>> >>>> I love this idea and I bet on its validity. That being said, how can >>>> you know you had such an experience? Could you elaborate? >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Telmo. >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Monday, October 6, 2014 2:15:44 PM UTC-4, Brent wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Here's an interesting interview of a philosopher who is interested in >>>>>> the question of >>>>>> whether God exists. The interesting thing about it, for this list, >>>>>> is that "God" is >>>>>> implicitly the god of theism, and is not "one's reason for existence" >>>>>> or "the unprovable >>>>>> truths of arithmetic". >>>>>> >>>>>> Brent >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------- Original Message -------- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/10/05/can- >>>>>> wanting-to-believe-make-us-believers/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Gary Gutting: "This is the 12th and last in a series of interviews >>>>>> about religion that I >>>>>> am conducting for The Stone. The interviewee for this installment is >>>>>> Daniel Garber, a >>>>>> professor of philosophy at Princeton University, specializing in >>>>>> philosophy and science in >>>>>> the period of Galileo and Newton. In a week or two, I’ll conclude >>>>>> with a wrap-up column on >>>>>> the series." >>>>>> >>>>>> ... >>>>>> >>>>>> Daniel Garber: "Certainly there are serious philosophers who would >>>>>> deny that the arguments >>>>>> for the existence of God have been decisively refuted. But even so, >>>>>> my impression is that >>>>>> proofs for the existence of God have ceased to be a matter of serious >>>>>> discussion outside >>>>>> of the domain of professional philosophy of religion. And even there, >>>>>> my sense is that the >>>>>> discussions are largely a matter of academic interest: The real >>>>>> passion has gone out of >>>>>> the question." >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "Everything List" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the >>>> Google Groups "Everything List" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this topic, visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/everything-list/uxC9vWWQ0Ss/unsubscribe >>>> . >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to >>>> [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> >>> Kindest Regards, >>> >>> Stephen Paul King >>> >>> Senior Researcher >>> >>> Mobile: (864) 567-3099 >>> >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://www.provensecure.us/ >>> >>> “This message (including any attachments) is intended only for the use >>> of the individual or entity to which it is addressed, and may contain >>> information that is non-public, proprietary, privileged, confidential and >>> exempt from disclosure under applicable law or may be constituted as >>> attorney work product. 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