What is your thoughts on The Electrical Universe theory: 
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Samiya

> On 13-Nov-2014, at 9:24 am, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
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>> On 12 Nov 2014, at 22:20, LizR wrote:
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>>> On 13 November 2014 06:46, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>> On 12 Nov 2014, at 16:10, Peter Sas wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Does anybody know this paper: 
>>>> http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S221268641300037X
>>> 
>>> It is pleasant to read, but I will wait what others can add, if it is 
>>> really more than a variant of the vacuum fluctuation approach.
>>> 
>>> It cannot satisfy a theorician of mind, who assumes the computationalist 
>>> hypothesis, because it assumes:
>>> 
>>> 1) the quantum description of the physical reality,
>>> 2) a primary physical reality.
>> 
>> I will try to have a look but you just bumped it down my reading list. It 
>> sounds like it starts off already high up the ontological tree and hence 
>> isn't really addressing what it claims to (Also, anything on CEN which 
>> doesn't mention ToN in the credits is off to a bad start, IMHO).
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> 
> Yes, but it is frequent with physicists. They just work in the frame of the 
> Aristotelian metaphysics/theology. They take the physical universe for 
> granted, so "nothing" means some physical nothingness. With QM, the physical 
> nothingness is already Turing-Universal, so they assume a particular 
> universal system, and they induce it from observation. But with 
> computationalism, and the mind-body problem in mind, we need to explain why 
> it seems some universal system took an importance in the observable realm. 
> Obviously the author just ignore the mind-body problem, or the 1p/3p relation 
> problem, but he is far from being alone: it is a tradition since more than 
> 1500 years.
> 
> Bruno
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