On Sun, Nov 23, 2014 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > "real" is when I saw things, $and* I am not dreaming (say). >
Dreams are thoughts and thoughts exists in the same way that lines of longitude and latitude exists, on the other hand the evidence favors the theory that the sun has additional qualities of existence. Is the quantum wave function more like a dream or more like the sun? I think it's more like a dream, although I admit that maybe Shakespeare got it backwards and such dreams are stuff made of. >> Yes you can give examples of quantum weirdness without using complex >> numbers or even mathematics, but if you want to actually perform a >> calculation you're going to have to use complex numbers. >> > > > ? > ! > > No, when i explain quantum weirdness, I do a lot of calculations, and we > can get many quantum weirdness without using complex matrix. > Please teach me how to calculate the Probability Amplitude without using complex numbers. And then teach me, still without using complex numbers, how to take the absolute value of that Probability Amplitude and how to square it so I can get a probability density, something I can actually test against the observable world if I repeat the procedure often enough, >> If it makes you feel better you can say that guardian angels are "real" >> too, but just remember that they and Schrodinger's Wave are equally >> unobservable. >> > > > Yes, but guardian angels have no effects (well actually they do, but > that is another topic). > Hmm, well maybe the absolute value of a guardian angel squared does have some effect, at least as a probability of committing sin. > > Atoms, quark, and most notion in physics are also not observable > Today atoms are easily observable, it's more difficult but quarks are too, super high speed electrons shot into protons and neutrons show that those particles are not uniform but are made of parts, they contain lumps. On the other hand the Quantum Wave is totally unobservable and even something completely different, the square of the absolute value of the Quantum Wave, is only semi-observable as a abstract probability. > If the wave is not real, explain me the interference experience with one > photon? > If the lines of longitude and latitude are not real explain how people can use them to fly huge airplanes from London to Tokyo. And regardless of whether the quantum wave is real or not I cannot explain quantum weirdness in a way that would seem reasonable to most people, it's just the way the world is. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
