On Friday, November 28, 2014 3:27:30 AM UTC, John Clark wrote: > > On Wed, Nov 26, 2014 at 11:30 PM, meekerdb <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > > More likely we will make an AI that is intelligent, is not conscious >> like a human with an inner narrative but is conscious in some other way >> which will be very difficult for us to recognize. >> > > With the obvious exception of our own, consciousness is not very difficult > to recognize, it is IMPOSSIBLE to recognize, and it doesn't matter if it's > another human or a computer. All we can recognize is intelligent behavior > and then try to make a conclusion from that observation using one of the > enumerable theories about consciousness that are available. And all the > many consciousness theories are different from each other and all of them > work about equally well (or badly). And having no facts that must be fitted > to theory is why the profession of consciousness theoretician is so > incredibly easy and why they are so common on the internet. However it's > hard as hell to find a good intelligence theory because it must be > compatible with a astronomical number of very diverse facts, so it's not > surprising that intelligence theoreticians are very rare on the internet. > Consciousness is easy but intelligence is hard. > > John K Clark >
You're still in the stack constructing from your idea evolution cannot detect conscious (I think because we can't, is your basis for this, but no matter). It's very hard to see how your idea stands up to even the most high level and trivial thought experiment. So I'll select something like that for you give your high level answer. Let's say there are two individuals, one seems to be normal in that there is no history of injuries to the head. While the other individual fell off a tricycle and ended up hospitalized with a head injury. Now let's jump into the shoes of objective reality. Now we are objective reality and as such we happen to know the efficiency of the conscious experience and its delivery has been negatively impacted. Let's say this exhibits more strongly in certain activities with higher loading on the full suite of being conscious than some others. Let's now pick these two gentlemen up shove them through the door of Bruno's Tardis, and dump them somewhere sometime the forces of natural selection are considerably ramped up for and between humans. If that activity on the menu of the Challenge-of-the-Niche. Natural selection will favour the individual that does not have the efficiency shortfall in consciousness and its delivery. Ergo consciousness has felt the long arm of natural selection poking right through with specific, precision interest in specific components, specially in terms of efficiency on some measure. And issued selective dictats accordingly. John you need a strong answer to this. It isn't legitimate to try to answer by quibbling details. Because there's infinitely many alternatice scenarios. Please, a strong answer. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
