On Saturday, December 13, 2014 7:01:01 AM UTC, Brent wrote:
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> On 12/12/2014 9:35 PM, John Clark wrote:
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> On Fri, Dec 12, 2014 at 5:23 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]
> <javascript:>> wrote:
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> > Nobody bothered to explain that it might have been volcanoes or
>> asteroid strikes as well as oribtal variations and they did that because
>> it's completely irrelevant to current global warming. We know that CO2 has
>> increased from 300ppm to 450ppm and that we put about twice that amount
>> into the atmosphere.
>>
>
> But nobody has a solution for excess CO2 that won't kill far far more
> people than climate warming ever will, or at least environmentalists
> don't.
>
>
> Donald McKay, withouthotair.com, has spelled out exactly what it will
> take and it doesn't kill anybody and it doesn't cost anymore than a small
> war. In fact everybody knows what the solutions are, it doesn't take some
> future discovery. It just takes the will to demote fossil fuel to few
> specialized applications.
>
> Environmentalists don't have solutions for anything because
> environmentalists are silly irrational people who mix ridiculous pessimism
> (global warming will kill us all) with ridiculous optimism (windmills will
> save us all) and who believe it's a virtue to think with your gut and not
> with your brain.
>
>
> And deniers are luddite morons who think we can fix global warming on
> short notice when it gets a lot worse but we can't screw it up in the
> meantime.
>
>
>
> > So how the Earth warmed or cooled in the distant past is ust your
>> attempt at diversion.
>>
>
> It's a diversion from the fantasy that the Earth's climate has always
> been the same and there is one true temperature that everything should be
> at.
>
>
> Which is another bullshit attempt at diversion. It's completely
> irrelevant to whether a 4degC global temperature increase over 50yrs will
> cause extensive suffering, death and economic damage. And note that 4degC
> increase is. I the projected worldwide average increase as of 2100. The
> oceans tend to lag, so that corresponds to a 5 or 6degC increase over the
> continents. And it doesn't mean the temperature increase goes to +4degC
> and then stops. Under your do-nothing scenario it will still be rapidly
> increasing as it crosses through +4degC in 2100.
>
We don't actually know the rate of temperature increase will be rapid.
You'll know the relation Co2 increasing in the atmosphere and the rate
more energy is trapped directly resulting, is logarithmic, which pushes
everything to the feedbacks, which gets you to where the scientific
challenge really is.. An abstract theory of the earth system is going to
necessary. If there's no feedbacks, everything becomes about this century
in isolation. Can we take the hit?
One unsatisfactory but reasonable to think roughly true all the same, is
that we are going to take the hit now whatever we do next. The window for
totally solving climate andmaking the process a money making, productivity
booming, full blown revolution. WHICH is exactly what AMERICA would and
could have done. She did 4 or 5 times last century. Saved the whole fucking
world, then nailed that solution hard into history by dropping new
technologies, new economics and new ways for people to make money, or at
least hay, rather than killing and eating each other.
America could have pulled it off in the 1990's, because those were single
superpower days. China, India, everyone knew they were going to be showing
up one day not too far in the future, but they hadn't yet, and they'd do as
they were told by the superpower lile everyone else.
Those shitty denialist campaigns...they didn't have to win, they only had
to delay a few years And they succeed. They won...like 20 years ago. Why
are you being so heated with John Clark on this matter? It doesn't
matter. Sure, he's not in the spirit of rationality on this matter. Then
again most people have their areas, they totally fail the scientific and
rational way to be. That's his. Why even bother having the debate with him?
I tease John in climate debates.. Not with the slightest edge of
hostility. He's entertaining...and clearly has no control over himself and
no awareness how transparent and self-evident the intellectual
deviance actually is, It's like he's walking around with no seat area in
his trousers, with his big hairy naked ass hanging out the back, but
thinking no one can see it.
lHow rational and in keeping with spirit are YOU? You totally exclude me,
and you totally do it in the most obvious and emotionally hurtful way that
you can. Yet you can't do that on the climate subject for John. Your mate
Bruce was ignoring from moment one. And that means you briefed him before
hand and got ignoring me.
The normal way to ignore some doesn't want them to realize, So it's
about doing the minimum...because normally the person is dull or whatever
and we don't want their attentions. that isn't what you've been doing to
me. So it's malicious.. And actually that's a nasty trait and this won't
be in isolation This will be something you've lived your life doing. Johb
lark doesn't do that to anyone and sometimes hes everyone piling onto him.
The other day you landed yet aother blow on me, you weren't willing address
facts and evidence, just as john won't. About Einstein's contribution to
the theories. You are easilily out of order, and transparent as he is in
climate. The only reason you get away scot free and know you won't be
challenged is because the others are just the same as you on that matter.
But being in a little gang doesn't change the morality or what's true
So you're not that great Brentl...you could be using that time you're
wasting venting on John - who incident,y ENJOYS the odd barroom brawl. He
enjoys it...you'll get nothing for you're aggression And with all that work
you've got there to do on yourself, frankly you can't afford splashing over
him all your spending money.
> Brent
>
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