On 18 Dec 2014, at 18:46, John Clark wrote:
Although I am in good health I have just signed up with Alcor to
have my head cryogenically frozen at 320 degrees below zero (77
degrees Kelvin) after my death. I am not convinced it will work but
I am convinced that if it doesn't work it won't cause me to be any
deader. I'm curious if anyone else on this list has done the same.
Well, you just say "yes" to a doctor who is plausibly not even born.
You might not be deader, but you might wake up as a brain in a vat,
perhaps with a loss of some functions, and perhaps with an unbearable
headache. I am not sure I am interested, but it is rather courageous.
I think that it is vein somehow, tough, given the computationalist
immortality which follows from the fact that you could survive.
I think that computationalism get closer to Hinduism than occidental
religion, where the goal is more to avoid reincarnation, and cut the
cycle of terrestrial birth and death, than to perpetuate the ego;
Hmm... You might perhaps one day make a salvia experience, you might
live an experience which might change your mind on this. But I am not
sure if I can recommend this. My experience as a sitter, but also from
reports, confirms my feeling that people with strong religious belief
(like atheists, although they are usually not aware of this) makes
very often quite bad trip. It seems the time for them to realize that
they did have religious beliefs, without knowing, and they begin to
doubt on something they thought they would never doubt, and it can
generate new fears. I have a moral dilemma. I don't want to recommend
salvia, but I would feel guilty by not pushing someone I care about to
do that salvia experience before saying yes to a doctor.
The salvia experience has this key feature: you can't easily dismissed
the experience as an hallucination, because if it is an hallucination,
then the brain is able to do something which is even more impossible
to believe in. There is a sort of Gödelian-Löbian trick, but despite
4006 experiences up to now, I can't put my finger on it, nor can I
explain the possibility of remembering parts of that experience in the
computationalist frame.
Well, I wish you first a long life, and good luck for the next one,
with our without artificial means.
Bruno
John K Clark
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