2014-12-19 16:52 GMT+01:00 Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]>: > > The modern man can accept any oppression, with the condition that must be > impersonal the hand that imposes it. Nicolás Gómez Dávila > > 2014-12-19 15:47 GMT+01:00 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]>: >> >> >> On 18 Dec 2014, at 18:46, John Clark wrote: >> >> Although I am in good health I have just signed up with Alcor to have my >> head cryogenically frozen at 320 degrees below zero (77 degrees Kelvin) >> after my death. I am not convinced it will work but I am convinced that if >> it doesn't work it won't cause me to be any deader. I'm curious if anyone >> else on this list has done the same. >> >> >> Well, you just say "yes" to a doctor who is plausibly not even born. You >> might not be deader, but you might wake up as a brain in a vat, perhaps >> with a loss of some functions, and perhaps with an unbearable headache. I >> am not sure I am interested, but it is rather courageous. I think that it >> is vein somehow, tough, given the computationalist immortality which >> follows from the fact that you could survive. >> >> I think that computationalism get closer to Hinduism than occidental >> religion, where the goal is more to avoid reincarnation, and cut the cycle >> of terrestrial birth and death, than to perpetuate the ego; >> >> Hmm... You might perhaps one day make a salvia experience, you might live >> an experience which might change your mind on this. But I am not sure if I >> can recommend this. My experience as a sitter, but also from reports, >> confirms my feeling that people with strong religious belief (like >> atheists, although they are usually not aware of this) makes very often >> quite bad trip. It seems the time for them to realize that they did have >> religious beliefs, without knowing, and they begin to doubt on something >> they thought they would never doubt, and it can generate new fears. I have >> a moral dilemma. I don't want to recommend salvia, but I would feel guilty >> by not pushing someone I care about to do that salvia experience before >> saying yes to a doctor. >> The salvia experience has this key feature: you can't easily dismissed >> the experience as an hallucination, because if it is an hallucination, then >> the brain is able to do something which is even more impossible to believe >> in. There is a sort of Gödelian-Löbian trick, but despite 4006 experiences >> up to now, I can't put my finger on it, nor can I explain the possibility >> of remembering parts of that experience in the computationalist frame. >> >> Well, I wish you first a long life, and good luck for the next one, with >> our without artificial means. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> John K Clark >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ >> >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > Alberto. >
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