On Monday, December 22, 2014 12:38:35 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 22 Dec 2014, at 00:05, John Clark wrote:
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> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:45 PM,  <[email protected] <javascript:>> 
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> > Yesterday you said you had to conclude if the test detected 
>> consciousness well it must also detect intelligence.
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> That's not what I said, you've got it backward. Something can be conscious 
> but not intelligent, 
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> We agree on this.
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The concurrence is entirely innocent. A virtuous snippet of altruistic 
better nature...it's individuals pushing that, and not just humans but way 
back. Not natural selection. Individuals. Critters with Trait. I give 
thanks for them. For 500 million years they knocked at the door with their 
single message.  Those  special critters their message simply "there is 
another way to be". 

Looking what a beautiful thing for a lizard to think. But  the time it was 
inflammatory, threatening....it's not that we were stupid....we knew what 
the words meant. But we loved eating each other. And those words were 
threat to our way of life. And they still are and that's why I'm going to 
eat you. 

[the above is what I decide to think was true. because why should you two 
have all the fun. oh look there's a squirrel.....

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