On 22 Dec 2014, at 00:05, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yesterday you said you had to conclude if the test detected
consciousness well it must also detect intelligence.
That's not what I said, you've got it backward. Something can be
conscious but not intelligent,
We agree on this.
but if it's intelligent then it's conscious.
OK. Even very good, because that distinguish intellegence from
competence. A machine can be competent but not intelligent (like an
expert or a specialist).
Consciousness is easy but intelligence
Consciousness is as much easy than to derive physics from number
theory. Then it is easy if you accept to define consciousness by the
the first person knowledge of some truth that we cannot justify nor
even define to others. In that case computer science gives plenty of
interesting candidates.
Consciousness is thus easy, but not that easy.
Your argument that consciousness is the way data treatment is felt
makes possible to attach consciousness to a machine, but from the
first person point of view that consciousness will be attached to the
infinity of instantiation of that data treatment in possible universes
or in arithmetic, and this leads to the problem of deriving the
stability of the physical from arithmetic and computer science.
But "intelligence is very simple". it is maximal for universal
machines, and can only diminish or stay equal when adding information
or program. "intelligence" is about the same as courage: the courage
of being wrong. It is more an attitude of courage than anything else.
> The Turing Test does not detect either one
I did not wrote that. I think it is hibbsa or zibblequible. The Turing
test can give evidence for the presence of some consciousness or
intelligence, if made long enough. It is just a coefficient of
plausibility or course, not a definite proof.
Bruno
I am certain you have met people in your life that you wouldn't
hesitate to call brilliant, and you've met people you'd call
complete morons, but if you don't examine the same thing that the
Turing Test does, behavior, how do you make that determination?
John K Clark
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