On 22 Dec 2014, at 18:12, [email protected] wrote:



On Monday, December 22, 2014 12:38:35 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:

On 22 Dec 2014, at 00:05, John Clark wrote:

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 2:45 PM,  <[email protected]> wrote:

> Yesterday you said you had to conclude if the test detected consciousness well it must also detect intelligence.

That's not what I said, you've got it backward. Something can be conscious but not intelligent,

We agree on this.

The concurrence is entirely innocent. A virtuous snippet of altruistic better nature...it's individuals pushing that, and not just humans but way back. Not natural selection. Individuals. Critters with Trait. I give thanks for them. For 500 million years they knocked at the door with their single message. Those special critters their message simply "there is another way to be".

Looking what a beautiful thing for a lizard to think. But the time it was inflammatory, threatening....it's not that we were stupid....we knew what the words meant. But we loved eating each other. And those words were threat to our way of life. And they still are and that's why I'm going to eat you.

[the above is what I decide to think was true. because why should you two have all the fun. oh look there's a squirrel.....


So we agree? It is not entirely clear to me.

Bruno





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