On 01 Jan 2015, at 02:27, Kim Jones wrote:
On 1 Jan 2015, at 11:46 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
On 12/31/2014 4:22 PM, Kim Jones wrote:
On 31 Dec 2014, at 6:17 am, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
Eventually I conclude that atheism is *really* the religious
mirror of christianity. They have the same notion of God (even
if it is used only to be denied) and they have the same notion
of primary matter (modulo some details).
Exactly. The same notion of "God" used by everybody who prays to
a god, has faith in a god, and has a religion based on a god.
Atheists are quite clear on what sort of being they do not
believe exists and you are the only person I know who seems to
think it is a fault to be clear about ones meaning.
Brent
So atheists therefore leave the door open to definitions of God
other than the ones for which they have been clear there is no
evidence? Is that what you are saying? I don't think So.
Neither do I. "God" has a fairly clear common meaning,
Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........nope
but when I want to be really precise I may say "Abrahamic God" or
"God of monotheism".
Why not go the whole hog and really nail it: Aristotle's Matter God.
It comes to that, surely. The buck stops here. With God. You cannot
pass the problem further down the line! No further thinking possible
or required. Act. Once the G word is used in thinking, it's kind of
like the sound of a rifle being cocked. Trouble is G is always on my
side and I'm maybe halfway insane as it is.
What about the definition of God that you don't pray to, don't
have faith in, don't know of any religion about? Are atheists OK
with that, are they?
Like "God is love."
That's fine. Can't see any problems with that.
or "God is goodness."
Depends who G's showering the goodness on. What if I don't like them?
or "God is money."
Yes, the Wolf of Wall Street really rammed that home.
I'm OK with metaphor. As to the god(s) of religions I don't know
about...well, I don't know about them.
I'll let you get away with that barefaced lie Brent Meeker only
because it is Xmas, NY and in addition, my birthday. I hope you are
able to catch a run of the Sydney fireworks online somewhere -
always a bog boom
HNY
Happy birthday Kim, and HNY to everybody (= every soul, really!) :)
Bruno
Kim
Brent
And Jesus said unto them, "And whom do you say that I am?"
They replied, "You are the eschatological manifestation of
the ground of our being, the ontological foundation of
the context of our very selfhood revealed."
And Jesus replied, "What??"
Love it. Love it.
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