RE: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to dialectics?

Tue, 06 Jan 2015 23:42:07 -0800 

 

 

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Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to 
dialectics?

 

 

On 04 Jan 2015, at 08:07, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote:





In regard to:

"If nothing existed; would it remain nothing?"

This is exactly what I'm suggesting.  It would not remain "nothing".  We 
usually think of the situation when you get rid of all matter, energy, 
space/volume, time, abstract concepts, minds, etc. as "nothing".  But, what I'm 
saying is that this supposed "nothing" really isn't the lack of all existent 
entities.  That "nothing" would be the entirety of all that is present; that's 
it; there's nothing else.  It would be the all.  An entirety is a grouping 
defining what is contained within and therefore an existent entity, based on my 
definition of an existent entity.  

 

Your set comprehension axiom. You are working in some set theory, which is 
provably too much in case you assume brain works without magic 
(computationalism).

 

 





So, even what we think of as "nothing" is an existent entity or "something". 

 

If only through the "we" which think about that nothing. 

 

Is anything possible at all without an observer?

-Chris

 

 





This means that "something" is non-contingent.  It's necessary.  There is no 
such thing as the lack of all existent entities.

 

 

It is necessary for having an observer, or a dreamer, conceiving nothing, but 
then you assume "we", which usually is among what we would like to explain the 
existence. In all case we have to do some assumption, notably about the thing 
we talk about before deciding if they exist or not.

 

Like computationalism offers the best we can hope for the mind-body problem, I 
think it does the same for the question of this thread. It is a bit frustrating 
in the sense that it shows that there are minimal thing that we will never 
explain the origin of (like the "basic" Turing universal system).

 

Bruno

 






On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:17:27 AM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote:

 

 

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Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory to 
dialectics?

 

On 1/2/2015 9:05 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote:

Even if the word "exists" has no use because everything exists, it seems 
important to know why everything exists.  How is it that a thing can exist?  
What I suggest is that a grouping defining what is contained within is an 
existent entity.  Then, you can use this to try and answer the other question 
of "Why is there something rather than nothing?".


If everything exists, what doesn't exist?  Nothing.

 

If nothing existed; would it remain nothing?

-Chris

Brent

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