> On 07-Jan-2015, at 12:41 pm, "'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List" > <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bruno Marchal > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2015 2:00 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory > to dialectics? > > > On 04 Jan 2015, at 08:07, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: > > > In regard to: > > "If nothing existed; would it remain nothing?" > > This is exactly what I'm suggesting. It would not remain "nothing". We > usually think of the situation when you get rid of all matter, energy, > space/volume, time, abstract concepts, minds, etc. as "nothing". But, what > I'm saying is that this supposed "nothing" really isn't the lack of all > existent entities. That "nothing" would be the entirety of all that is > present; that's it; there's nothing else. It would be the all. An entirety > is a grouping defining what is contained within and therefore an existent > entity, based on my definition of an existent entity.
So you mean 'nothing' is 'potential for all' while 'everything' is the 'kinetic of all'? Samiya > > Your set comprehension axiom. You are working in some set theory, which is > provably too much in case you assume brain works without magic > (computationalism). > > > > > So, even what we think of as "nothing" is an existent entity or "something". > > If only through the "we" which think about that nothing. > > Is anything possible at all without an observer? > -Chris > > > > > This means that "something" is non-contingent. It's necessary. There is no > such thing as the lack of all existent entities. > > > It is necessary for having an observer, or a dreamer, conceiving nothing, but > then you assume "we", which usually is among what we would like to explain > the existence. In all case we have to do some assumption, notably about the > thing we talk about before deciding if they exist or not. > > Like computationalism offers the best we can hope for the mind-body problem, > I think it does the same for the question of this thread. It is a bit > frustrating in the sense that it shows that there are minimal thing that we > will never explain the origin of (like the "basic" Turing universal system). > > Bruno > > > > > On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:17:27 AM UTC-5, cdemorsella wrote: > > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of meekerdb > Sent: Friday, January 02, 2015 9:44 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: Why is there something rather than nothing? From quantum theory > to dialectics? > > On 1/2/2015 9:05 PM, 'Roger' via Everything List wrote: > Even if the word "exists" has no use because everything exists, it seems > important to know why everything exists. How is it that a thing can exist? > What I suggest is that a grouping defining what is contained within is an > existent entity. Then, you can use this to try and answer the other question > of "Why is there something rather than nothing?". > > If everything exists, what doesn't exist? Nothing. > > If nothing existed; would it remain nothing? > -Chris > > Brent > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
