On 12 Jan 2015, at 02:08, John Clark wrote:
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>>> I believe in God.
>> Yes, I knew you'd say that. Even though you just said "God"
means many things depending on the time, place and culture you
apparently believe in every single one of them because you can't
bring yourself to say "I do not believe in God", not in any time
not in any place and not in any culture. And that tells me that
you've fallen in love with the sound your tongue makes when it makes
the "G-O-D" noise even though there is no longer any meaning behind
the sound anymore. No meaning whatsoever.
> Not really, it is a belief in meaning. It is a bet on the possible
unification of our variate knowledge and beliefs. It is the motor of
the fundamental science. It is what I am exploring, with logic and
mathematics. It is not a priori any God of any book, but there are
many similarities with many such books.
Translation: You can't bring yourself to say "I do not believe in
God", not in any time not in any place and not in any culture.
Many culture agree that God is not conceivable, not nameable, and that
it is the big reason of everything. To say "I don't believe in God"
does not make sense with such large definition, on which many agrees.
If you tell me that God is omniscient, or that he has the image of a
man, etc. Then I can tell you I don't believe in that God.
And all this talk about only xca personal anthropomorphic God is
dumb is pointless because you believe in that too. By the way, I
guess whoever carved the Venus of Hohle Fels was a Christian too
even though he lived 35,000 years before Jesus Christ was born, but
hey, if atheism can be just a slight variation of Christianity then
why not.
I have explained more than once my argument here, and you never
address the argument I gave. On the contrary, you illustrate my point.
>> Meanwhile the so called moderate Muslim
>There is no so called "moderate" muslims.
That is something I too have begun to suspect.
> There are muslims, and among them, like among the christians, some
are sort of nazis.
But the Nazis Muslims are the only ones that matter because they are
the only ones that rule countries or run terrorist organizations or
have the charisma to order millions of into the streets for
demonstrations or butcher schoolchildren or fly airliners into
skyscrapers or murder cartoonists. Even if moderate Muslims actually
exist and aren't a mythical as the Loch Ness monster they can be
safely ignored because they play no part in world events, most say
nothing even when atrocities are committed in the name of Islam.
Why not, instead, cutting our financial help to the armed groups, and
why not help the muslims who fight against those groups, like the
egyptians, tunisians, israelis, and in fact there are many, in all
those countries, but they are hostages taken in between dictatorships
and the pseudo-muslims which are just nazy with islamic clothes.
Anyway, you argument is non valid. That all people using heroin are
cannabis smoker does not prove that cannabis leads to heroin, and that
most current terrorisr are invoking Islam does not prove that Islam
leads to terrorism. It is the same mistake again and again. It is
abuse of generalization + confusion between only and only if.
Bruno
John K Clark
John K clark
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