On 1/11/2015 6:30 PM, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote:
On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 2:04 AM, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 1/11/2015 9:41 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:
We can't criticize religions because the churches, with the help of the
main stream
atheist (of your type), does not want us to come back to reasoning at that
level, yet.
All the atheists I know are fine with a search for fundamental reality with
a
scientific attitude. The only thing they don't like about your program is
your
insistence on calling something (it's not clear what) "God". They don't
like that
because "God" has a common meaning;
Quantum physics and relativity have many popular interpretations and snappy analogies.
Is this the standard then? Should we rely on these when doing research for clarity's
sake, because it's easier to exchange mails/posts about, or should we rely on what we
judge to be the best interpretations?
it means a supernatural person who created the world and judges human worth
and
communicates His commands through priests and mystics and sacred texts.
Not the neo-platonic interpretation of the concept. God is merely a more familiar term
for unnameable principle or fundamental source of reality, stripped from its usual
personal or theistic connotations.
I'm glad that you recognize "theistic connotations" are the attributes of being a
supernatural tyrant. That's why a-theism doesn't mean disbelief in some fundamental
reality. But I think you have usage backwards. "God" is the familiar term for a
fundamental source of reality */clothed/* with these theistic connotations.
The root of everything and nothing, if you pardon this neo-platonic blasphemy, required
to form an order or hierarchy that we ultimately cannot take literally.
The via negativa has been with us long enough to be recognized by Christian theology,
which takes quite a while... :-) Anybody can google it.
And they'll find that Christians resorted that way of talking in order to disguise
ignorance as profundity, stupidity as faith, and deprecate the search for knowledge.
/“When we come to believe, we have no desire to believe anything else, for we begin by
believing that there is nothing else which we have to believe…. I warn people not to
seek for anything beyond what they came to believe, for that was all they needed to seek
for. In the last resort, however, it is better for you to remain ignorant, for fear that
you come to know what you should not know…. Let curiosity give place to faith, and
glory to salvation. Let them at least be no hindrance, or let them keep quiet. To know
nothing against the Rule [of faith] is to know everything.”//
// --- Tertullian/
Instead of saying yes or no to god with attributes, according to Plotinus, this implies
sidestepping the issue and pursuing the consequences of asserting negative belief.
In this sidestepping there is a point at which reason is left behind, which is
consistent with incompleteness phenomenon, failure of logicism, mysticism etc.
And when reason is left behind so is knowledge. Then the choice is live with uncertainty,
or adopt the fairytale most congenial to your ego.
Brent
The move is grounded in the consequence that somebody asserting existence or
non-existence of God has to be able to therefore "know the root and source of all and
nothing". The latter is assumed impossible. Therefore sidestepping and questioning the
implications of such a move in Plotinus' work. PGC
I don't think you believe in this "God" but you want to poke the eye of
some
atheists who rejected your work.
Brent
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