> On 20 Jan 2015, at 12:31 pm, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> All I know about is ideas and ideas are information and I would say that 
> information is physical, but you would call it abstract and non-physical, in 
> contrast I can say virtually nothing about the sun itself but you would say 
> that was physical and non-abstract.
> 
>    John K Clark

Maybe stop using that ridiculous and meaningless art term "abstract". You sound 
like an eighth grader stuggling to understand Modigliani. Nothing is 
"abstract". Even Modigliani. Things either exist or they don't. If it can be 
called anything at all then it exists. It can exist wherever the hell it wants; 
I don't call something "abstract" just because I cannot see it. The funny part 
is that by calling it "abstract" you merely affirm it's (non-physical) 
existence for you, which is all we want you to be able to do without wetting 
yourself.

The issue of whether it is physical or not can never be resolved either - 
especially given the eternal warfare waged over the very meaning of terms like 
"physical", "existence", "matter" etc. 

Whether something is physical or not is immaterial, excuse the pun. We just 
want to know if it's real. For some people, numbers are more real than anything 
else. I don't think they should be committed to an asylum for that belief. What 
numbers actually are cannot be known, only guessed at. 

Kim

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