> On 12 Feb 2015, at 7:54 pm, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
>> On 11 Feb 2015, at 05:37, Samiya Illias wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11-Feb-2015, at 6:40 am, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > I can´t even enumerate the number of ways in which that article is wrong.
>>>
>>> I stopped reading after the following parochial imbecility "I don't see
>>> Christ's redemption limited to human beings".
>>>
>>>> > First of all, any intelligent robot MUST have a religion in order to act
>>>> > in any way.
>>>
>>> Yet another example of somebody in love with the English word "religion"
>>> but not with the meaning behind it.
>>>
>>>> > But I think that a robot with such level of intelligence will never be
>>>> > possible
>>>
>>> So you think that random mutation and natural selection can produce a
>>> intelligent being but a intelligent designer can't. Why?
>>
>> I am so happy to read this comment of yours. I hope someday you'll come to
>> reason that even we have been produced by an intelligent designer.
>
> Would you conclude from this that we are machine? I am thinking to some
> creationists who argue that animals are sort of machines, and this to give
> evidence for "intelligent design"
>
> My first problem with "intelligent design" is that, as an explanation, it
> assumes more than it explain. Where would an intelligent designer comes from?
>
> Then, if you look at the Mandelbrot set, you can see many complex structures,
> and this illustrates that very complex structures can arise from very simple
> principle. Of course we know that this is already the case in arithmetic
> where all possible machine already exist together with all their possible
> execution (which is why I suggest to explain this to you (hope my last post
> was not to much wishes-breaking!).
>
> So God does not need to create machines, it is enough to create 0 and the
> successors and told them to add and multiply. This leads to all machines +
> all computations, making the creationist argument non valid.
That's an interesting and novel argument. However, to counter it I suspect the
theist would say they don't believe in comp.
> A remaining possible role for a God would be in a selection process. But a
> selection is done automatically (by the FPI or consciousness) ... in case the
> relative measure on computations, provided by computer science, fits well
> with the measure inferred from nature (given today by QM, this makes
> computationalism testable). Here Quantum Mechanics illustrates indeed that
> apparently, those measure fits well, as far as we can say today.
>
> Bruno
>
>>
>> Samiya
>>
>>>
>>> John K Clark
>>>
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