> On 12-Feb-2015, at 1:54 pm, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> On 11 Feb 2015, at 05:37, Samiya Illias wrote: >> >> >> >>> On 11-Feb-2015, at 6:40 am, John Clark <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 Alberto G. Corona <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> > I can´t even enumerate the number of ways in which that article is wrong. >>> >>> I stopped reading after the following parochial imbecility "I don't see >>> Christ's redemption limited to human beings". >>> >>>> > First of all, any intelligent robot MUST have a religion in order to act >>>> > in any way. >>> >>> Yet another example of somebody in love with the English word "religion" >>> but not with the meaning behind it. >>> >>>> > But I think that a robot with such level of intelligence will never be >>>> > possible >>> >>> So you think that random mutation and natural selection can produce a >>> intelligent being but a intelligent designer can't. Why? >> >> I am so happy to read this comment of yours. I hope someday you'll come to >> reason that even we have been produced by an intelligent designer. > > Would you conclude from this that we are machine?
Aren't we mechanical and chemical systems? I suppose the answer would depend on the definition of machine. > I am thinking to some creationists who argue that animals are sort of > machines, and this to give evidence for "intelligent design" > > My first problem with "intelligent design" is that, as an explanation, it > assumes more than it explain. Where would an intelligent designer comes from? Yes it does assume an unexplainable first intelligence. However, the unexplainable is simply because of our lack of knowledge of that. The absence of an intelligent designer is more illogical. It's just filling the gap with nothing. > > Then, if you look at the Mandelbrot set, you can see many complex structures, > and this illustrates that very complex structures can arise from very simple > principle. Simply beautiful! > Of course we know that this is already the case in arithmetic where all > possible machine already exist together with all their possible execution > (which is why I suggest to explain this to you (hope my last post was not to > much wishes-breaking!). I've answered that :) > > So God does not need to create machines, it is enough to create 0 and the > successors and told them to add and multiply. That would imply that God built a simple, evolutionary system. One would marvel at such engineering! > This leads to all machines + all computations, making the creationist > argument non valid. > > A remaining possible role for a God would be in a selection process. But a > selection is done automatically (by the FPI or consciousness) ... in case the > relative measure on computations, provided by computer science, fits well > with the measure inferred from nature (given today by QM, this makes > computationalism testable). Here Quantum Mechanics illustrates indeed that > apparently, those measure fits well, as far as we can say today. > Let's not jump to conclusions. Remember the Uncertainty Principle! Who knows and who decides? Samiya > Bruno > >> >> Samiya >> >>> >>> John K Clark >>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
