On 08 Mar 2015, at 12:12, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote:
Well, here's a thought. Intelligence/Consciousness as humans
experience needs lots and lots of spindle cells, or something
manufactured that imitates it. This is neurobiology, and thus,
materialism.
Not at all. This is neurobiology and thus *mechanism*.
But then, looking at the detail, (see UDA) mechanism is incompatible
with materialism.
Neurobiologist detect functions, or number relations. They don't
detect matter. Even the Hadron collider does not detect "matter".
Could there be other things that do what spindle cells do? Yes. I
mean, there could be gas clouds or boltzmann brains doing thinking
way above our pay grade. But back down to earth, we need spindle
cells.
We need what they seem able to do, perhaps.
Bruno
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From: John Clark <[email protected]>
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Sent: Sat, Mar 7, 2015 10:25 pm
Subject: Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness
On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 5:33 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote:
> I like Graziano's theory of consciousness.
He says consciousness is just another name for attention, but
computers have been paying attention to some things and not others
form almost as long as they've existed. For example the LHC produces
nearly a billion particle collisions per second and each collision
produces about one megabyte of data, so you'd need 200,000 DVDs each
second the LHC is in operation to store that much information, and
it's designed to be in operation 20 hours a day 300 days a year.
Even a computer can't remember all that, Instead the computers looks
at each collision and quickly decides if there is anything that
*might* be worthy of its attention and remembers only them.
So out of the billion collisions each second the computer only
remembers and pays attention to what happened in about 200
collisions, all the other data is just thrown away. Even so that's
still a HUGE amount of information to store. There is always the
possibility you're throwing away something important but there is no
alternative, you just can't keep it all.
> under Graziano's theory it's a way of augmenting or improving
intelligence within constraints of limited computational resources.
Is so then it would be easier to make a intelligent conscious
computer than a intelligent non-conscious computer.
John K Clark
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