Ah! But I never claimed that neurobiology, also know as materialism, is the single, best, explanation for consciousness. It might be the best working theory in our case though. I tend to refer to our passions as from the amygdala, and our reasoning from the neocortex/cerebrum. Am I correct? I think so, but is there room for a more complex process? Yes. The brain could be both a computer and a transceiver. But we'd have to detect or infer more evidence or plausibility for this. Could different things in the universe be conscious? Well, i did weakly refer to Hoyle's The Black Cloud and boltzmann brains. I don't hold that dirt, and clouds, and stones, are conscious, as some have asserted. I am also a bit doubtful of the Beckenstein Bound which asserts that the maximum calculating power of the universe is 1x10^123. I think its an estimation, without calculating the solids, liquids, and gases, and plasma, that comprise the cosmos. It's not that I am saying I am smarter then a big physicist, but that I think I sometimes see logical flaws in what they say. This doesn't mean I am smarter, just a bit more observant.
-----Original Message----- From: Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> To: everything-list <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Mar 8, 2015 12:51 pm Subject: Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness On 08 Mar 2015, at 12:12, spudboy100 via Everything List wrote: Well, here's a thought. Intelligence/Consciousness as humans experience needs lots and lots of spindle cells, or something manufactured that imitates it. This is neurobiology, and thus, materialism. Not at all. This is neurobiology and thus *mechanism*. But then, looking at the detail, (see UDA) mechanism is incompatible with materialism. Neurobiologist detect functions, or number relations. They don't detect matter. Even the Hadron collider does not detect "matter". Could there be other things that do what spindle cells do? Yes. I mean, there could be gas clouds or boltzmann brains doing thinking way above our pay grade. But back down to earth, we need spindle cells. We need what they seem able to do, perhaps. Bruno -----Original Message----- From: John Clark < [email protected]> To: everything-list < [email protected]> Sent: Sat, Mar 7, 2015 10:25 pm Subject: Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 5:33 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]> wrote: > I like Graziano's theory of consciousness. He says consciousness is just another name for attention, but computers have been paying attention to some things and not others form almost as long as they've existed. For example the LHC produces nearly a billion particle collisions per second and each collision produces about one megabyte of data, so you'd need 200,000 DVDs each second the LHC is in operation to store that much information, and it's designed to be in operation 20 hours a day 300 days a year. Even a computer can't remember all that, Instead the computers looks at each collision and quickly decides if there is anything that *might* be worthy of its attention and remembers only them. So out of the billion collisions each second the computer only remembers and pays attention to what happened in about 200 collisions, all the other data is just thrown away. Even so that's still a HUGE amount of information to store. There is always the possibility you're throwing away something important but there is no alternative, you just can't keep it all. > under Graziano's theory it's a way of augmenting or improving intelligence within constraints of limited computational resources. Is so then it would be easier to make a intelligent conscious computer than a intelligent non-conscious computer. John K Clark -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
