On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> wrote:

>>>  Humans apply pressure on the floor when standing up, so Evolution is
>>> responsible for mass and gravity?
>>>
>>
>> >> No, but Evolution is responsible for the fact that humans can stand
>> up, or that humans can do anything at all for that matter
>>
>
> > So evolution is responsible for the fact that organisms apply pressure
> on surfaces?
>

Yes, but you could have figured that out by yourself.


> >>>  The assumptions that consciousness is something organisms do,
>>>
>>
>> >> That is not an assumption that is a matter of direct experience and
>> thus needs no proof; I am a organism and I am conscious.
>>
>
> > But do you generate it?
>

I think you're getting silly.


> > Is it something you do?
>

 I think you're getting very silly.


> >>> that conscious is a byproduct of something
>>>
>>
>> >> If Darwin was correct then the above must be true. And I think Darwin
>> was correct.
>>
>
> > That doesn't follow unless you can show that consciousness is something
> organisms generate.
>

I think you're getting very very silly.

> You're avoiding the question.


That's because I don't know what the question is.


> > that consciousness is generated somehow,
>>>
>>
>> >> When I'm asleep
>>
>
> > This is trivially false. We are conscious while dreaming.
>

We don't always dream when sleeping in fact we usually don't,  we only
dream during REM sleep and that only happens for about one hour per night.

>> or under anesthesia I'm not conscious
>>
>
> > You can't prove that.
>

True, but I've got something far far better than a proof to convince me
that it's true, direct experience.

  John K Clark

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