2015-03-19 23:44 GMT+01:00 'Chris de Morsella' via Everything List < [email protected]>:
> > ----- Forwarded Message ----- > *From:* Kim Jones <[email protected]> > *To:* "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > > *Sent:* Thursday, March 19, 2015 2:56 PM > *Subject:* Re: Michael Graziano's theory of consciousness > > > > >>Clark is that desperate order of human whose only creative ability lies > in shitting on the thinking of others. He is quite simply bereft of any > thinking of his own and has clearly never once in gis life experienced a > creative idea - even by accident. He is therefore exists only as a parasite > on the back of others since he lacks the means to exist as a thinker in his > own right. > > Come on now, you do not have that kind of insight into the mind of John, > to be able to make the slew of assertions, you just made about him; > Well, there is one true fact, he lies, that's simple to check... two emails before he's asserting that Bruno is affraid of intelligent machine... it's not the first lie he does, not the last one he will, it's an habit... it's bad faith in its purest form... while letting him lie and say nothing ? He will *never* apologize about his lies (he never did for years, it's doubtful he will one day), that's shameful, he does not deserve respect for that. Quentin > about how and who he is. As everyone knows -- me and John have had it out > on this list on several occasions and there are many things with which we > do not agree in the slightest (though on some matters we seem to be in > accord). John and I have insulted each other with gusto... no one can > accuse me of being a John Clark fanboy. > Every human being is a flawed outcome of experiences and inner > development; we all have our own failings and blemishes; pronouncing > judgement on others is a risky business -- in the best of cases. As has > been said (probably many times by many people in many cultures throughout > the ages: Judge not; lest you be judged. > -Chris > > > I predict that the day Clark actually proposes something new and > insightful as opposed to merely criticising others attempts to do so will > never occur. This is because once you have defined yourself publicly as a > liar, the only way forward is to maintain the fictions you mistakenly outed > - even after you and everyone have seen through them. > > Kim Jones > > > > > On 20 Mar 2015, at 7:20 am, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > > On 18 Mar 2015, at 18:07, Quentin Anciaux wrote: > > Liar Clark seriously ? you wanna go down that way, asserting Bruno is > affraid of machine intelligence where all is work is about computationalism > ? really ? > > > I am glad you notice the anomaly. It looks like a lie, indeed. > > > > It's so pathetic, > > > Yes. I wonder why he acts like that. How much conscious he is. Is it > incompetence or malice? > > At least John acts in front of me. My usual opponents lied too, but behind > my back. > > It comforts me somehow to hear those lies. It shows the problem is not my > work, but in the difficulty that some people have with fundamental > question, on which they have already their religion. > > I still don't know if John Clark is aware of its aristotelian prejudices. > But may be it is lower than that, and it could be the usual jealousy or > something. Presenting me as against machine intelligence is frankly > incredible, and very low, as you say. > > Bruno > > > > I don't understand why you can stoop so low and lie so much against him... > Is he threatening you ? maybe because even competent is not an adjective we > should use with you. > > > > > > Quentin > > 2015-03-18 17:57 GMT+01:00 John Clark <[email protected]>: > > > > On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote: > > >> So, consciousness - evolutionary advantage or spandrell? > > > > Both. I would say. > > > Then the Turing Test works for consciousness and not just for > intelligence. But then you don't believe the Turing Test even works for > intelligence because you believe that the ability to do intelligent things > has nothing to do with being intelligent, an idea so breathtakingly silly > nobody would dream of uttering it unless they were driven to do so by their > fear of intelligent machines. I guess "competent machines" sounds less > threatening to you. > > John K Clark > > > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > > > -- > All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain. 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