On 01 Apr 2015, at 03:02, Russell Standish wrote:
On Fri, Mar 27, 2015 at 07:28:51AM +0100, Quentin Anciaux wrote:
The ab asurdo is showing computationalism is incompatible with
physical
supervenience, not that it is true. In the end by being forced to
accept
consciousness must supervene on the movie + broken gate... If you
believe
it, then you've abandon computationalism as a theory of the mind
as the
movie+broken gates is not a computation... Or you can keep
computationalism
and abandon physical supervenience.... QED
I have always disagreed with this. The movie+broken gates is still a
computation, just a rather simple one. Playing a movie in (eg)
SMPlayer is still running a computation.
yes, but in the MGA we know the content of the consciousness (usually
a dream where the person is flying).
So a human dream would supervene on a very simple simple computation,
which can be made arbitrary simple.
Would say yes to a doctor who suggest to replace your brain with a
simple clock?
As I see it, the argument still relies on an intuition that the
movie+broken gates computation cannot support consciousness. It is an
intuition pump, not a proof, and consequently a weakness of the MGA.
MGA tackles the application of a theory to a reality. So it cannot
leads to a proof, as we can prove nothing about reality, and so we do
need some occam razor and intuition pump. The argumpent here can
defeat all theories.
And static vs dynamic is a red herring, because as Bruce quite rightly
points out, a static block Multiverse contains at least one, and by
definition all possible conscious entities.
OK. Like arithmetic. Again the consciousness is not in any static
elementary things, but in the static relations rich enough the give
the internal dynamics, and, with luck (= if comp is true) the right
relative measures.
Bruno
Cheers
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