On Thu, Apr 02, 2015 at 07:07:09AM +0200, Platonist Guitar Cowboy wrote: > > > Which assumes perhaps too strong a form of functionalism and/or digitalism > that runs into its own contradiction with 1p consciousness? > > As pointed out in earlier post: With that move, it is no longer relevant to > distinguish recording from person who has 1p experience, zombie question is > nonsense, no indexical property, there is correct substitution level, all > possible 1p consciousness of all persons supervenes on the recording > (everything digital) *or* none at all since recording has no CC and other > such funky consequences I can't recall. How is this avoided if everything > is one bland sauce of digital?
It is not at all obvious that counterfactual correctness (CC) is required for a computation to be conscious. Bruno usually argues that feature is a red herring. If it is, then non-CC recordings are not conscious, and the MGA goes through in the small (non-robust) universe case. But recordings can also be counterfactually correct in principle (in the form of a huge lookup table, for example, in Searles's Chinese Room), or in the form of a precise specification of the quantum wave function, or of a finite chunk of the UD* trace. Modulo the no-cloning theorem, or the Seth Lloyd limit which would prevent such a recording existing in our current universe. > > Thanks for pushing the question though Russell, as my earlier posts were > perhaps less clear on this. I guess you're coming from some ground I can't > parse or have missed reading and you have my apology here if so. But > zombies can be tricky bastards :-) > > > > Where do you draw the line? I'm afraid > >> intuition does not help much in this matter, which is why I say it is > >> a weakness of the MGA. > >> > > > > There must be something more to it than just complexity or even Turing > > universality. Bruno says human-like consciousness requires Lobianity. But > > I think that's asking for more than just awarenss; it's asking for > > self-awarness. > > > Which with comp assumptions/environment includes the properties that come > with that kind of self-awareness, e.g. incompleteness, machine's silence > etc. PGC > > > > If I were building a Mars Rover and gave it the ability to learn from its > > experience by reviewing its memory of events and projecting hypothetical > > futures, I would be concerned that I had created a sentient being that > > would forsee its own end. So I would be sure to avoid putting its > > indefinite survival into its value system. > > > > Brent > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prof Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) Principal, High Performance Coders Visiting Professor of Mathematics [email protected] University of New South Wales http://www.hpcoders.com.au Latest project: The Amoeba's Secret (http://www.hpcoders.com.au/AmoebasSecret.html) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
