On 4/27/2015 7:42 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote:
If you are punishing the family member the same way you would punish the perpetrator,
then how is the disutility any different?
It's effect on the rest of the community is different. Someone else in the community may
think, "I can't really control what my son does and he's kinda mean and high-strung. I'd
better get out of this place before my son does something that gets me punished."
Brent
And correct me if I'm wrong, youre fine with punishing family members or friends if the
deterrence value is sufficient?
On Monday, April 27, 2015, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>>
wrote:
On 4/27/2015 5:29 PM, Dennis Ochei wrote:
> You could just execute/imprison the two remaining actors
Well, i thought it was obvious that you can't just walk down the street and
stop
them... I didn't realize I had to spell that out.
> You don't want to punish the first actor's family because that is
disutility to
them as well as, or instead of, the actor
Right! We seem to care about punishing the person who committed the crime,
not mere
deterrence. Deterrence is a necessary but not sufficient reason to inflict
disutility on a given person. It must also be the case that the punishee
committed
the act that we want to deter.
So you cannot punish the delayed duplicate without weighing in on the
personal
identity question.
No. It's not that we care about punishing the person who committed the
crime. We
care about deterrence as it contributes to the overall well being of the society.
So we weigh the disutility of punishing the family against the utility it would
provide in deterrence. I think it would come out highly negative, but it
depends
somewhat on how much prospective murderers are influenced by their families
welfare.
You usually get the most deterrent utility by punishing the person who
committed the
crime, but that's a consequence of how psychology works - not a basic
principle.
Brent
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