On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:55 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On 24 Apr 2015, at 02:30, Telmo Menezes wrote: > > > > On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 1:19 AM, LizR <[email protected]> wrote: > >> You should both go to jail, on the basis that both copies of you had the >> same consciousness as the person who committed the murder, and therefore >> you are both equally responsible (leaving aside considerations of free will >> etc) >> > > I agree. I would be curious to know if anyone disagrees with this, and why. > > > > Now, I agree. And Liz gave two good arguments, one pure 3p, and the other > is terms of moral punishment. The first one is enough, but the second one > make sense too. > > Another "terrible question": do people have the right to torture copies, > when they accepted the protocols, that is with consent made at the time > before the duplication? > > Should that be made illegal? (assuming the technology, comp, etc.) > If you assume comp, I don't think this is different from the dilemma of whether a person has the right to torture another if the other consents. Some people are masochistic and desire torture, even to be placed in a situation where they know they can't withdraw consent later. Our current legal systems tend to solve this problem using Monty Python logic: if someone wants to be tortured they have a mental problem, if they have a mental problem they cannot give consent. I think mainstream western ethics are influenced by the golden rule. We could do worse than the golden rule (see ISIS) be perhaps we could also do better: do unto others as they would have done unto them. This requires a level of tolerance for individual preferences that I don't think human civilization has attained yet. Telmo. > > Bruno > > > > >> >> And (this is the clincher) you are both equally a danger to society, >> having had your psychopathic tendencies duplicated means you're twice as >> much of a danger as you were when there was only one of you. >> >> QED, "You're nicked, sunshine." >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > > http://iridia.ulb.ac.be/~marchal/ > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
