On 6/25/2015 7:09 PM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:


On Friday, June 26, 2015, meekerdb <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

    On 6/25/2015 11:24 AM, Stathis Papaioannou wrote:

        ISTM there's an equivocation here between a continuation in 
consciousness and
        continuation in body.  If we say "the person" is just a continuum of 
conscious
        thoughts, then they are both continuations of the original.  If we take 
into
        account the physical instantiation then we can say which is the original
        (assuming he's not destroyed and reconstructed in the duplication 
process) even
        though they are both continuations, by different means, of the original.


    Surely continuation in consciousness is what we mean when discussing 
personal
    identity. The atoms making up my body last year have mostly dispersed in the
    biosphere, but I don't consider that a great loss.

    That's a logic chopping answer.  Sure the atoms have dispersed, but the 
physical
    structural relations have persisted and these are not the same as conscious 
thoughts.


But the main reason we care about the physical structural relations persisting is that they ensure continuity of consciousness.

Only if consciousness supervenes on the physical brain.

If the physical structure was mostly preserved but the subject was unconscious or radically different in consciousness then we would say he had not survived,

Which is the case, depending on what you mean by "mostly preserved". It doesn't take very big changes in chemistry to produce radically different consciousness, e.g. none.

whereas if the physical structure were different, for example if the brain were replaced with a computer, but consciousness similar then we (or at least I) would say that the subject had survived.

We have no direct way to judge that, but I agree that if the behavior were sufficiently similar we would say the subject had survived. I think though that "sufficiently similar" would have to include some memory. I'm doubtful of idea that there is something besides memory, including unconscious memory, and body that can be said to instantiate the same person.

Brent

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