On 7/6/2015 4:04 PM, Bruce Kellett wrote:
meekerdb wrote:
On 7/6/2015 10:46 AM, John Clark wrote:
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 1:33 PM, meekerdb <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If there's only one consciousness which is aware of both
Washington and Moscow then asking the body looking at the
Washington Monument what the Kremlin looks like would elicit an
accurate answer. There's no contradiction in information being
transferred from Moscow to Washington any more than transferring
it from a toe to a brain.
Nobody thinks new physics would be needed to explain how a message moves from your
toe to your brain, but new physics would be required to explain how the Washington Man
could accurately say what's going on in Moscow without using electronics.
So I don't think the Washington Man could do that.
I didn't say they could, I said there was no *logical* contradiction in them doing so.
In fact it's not even a nomological contradiction because humans could have evolved or
manufactured RF communication devices in their brains such that, when duplicated, the
two copies continued to shared information. But my point was that in Bruno's UD
multiverse there will be universes in which this is the case. So to show that
duplication necessarily entails two consciouses, he needs to show that our physics and
our evolution are necessary, not contingent.
Bruno appears to believe that the same physics must obtain in all possible universes,
only initial conditions can differ.
Quote:
"Only the geographico-historical features can be brute facts. The whole point is that
with comp, physical laws does exist, and are the same for all universal machine, because
they are all under the same FPI on the same domain (UD*). Physics, unlike geography is
justified."
I think Bruno is simply wrong here. For the dovetailer in Platonia (AUDA), every
computable universe is included, and these can have arbitrarily different physics. Cf.
Tegmark's CUH.
But even if the physics weren't different there could be worlds in which physical
duplication didn't duplication consciousness: just like duplicating one of Borg.
Brent
"We are the Dyslexic of Borg.
Futility is persistent.
Your ass will be laminated."
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